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I think once you've put the information for Annie Cullen Oliver (and descendants) in your tree, it might be easier to understand. I suspect that Annie Georgina Oliver was named after Annie Georgina Stull.

Thanks Helen. Yes, the Irish connection is correct but I think it's another generation or two back from the Henry born in 1845. I'm not even thinking of going there yet. I still wonder about Annie Georgina though. On familysearch under the Ontario Births she is shown as born 25 Mar 1899 to Henry Huggard Oliver and Isabella Fairbourne and Annie is shown in 1911 census. Then we have Annie Georgina Stull born 6 Jan 1899 but died 25 March 1899, parents Henry Huggard Oliver Stull and Catherine E. Stull. The date of 25 March 1899 is very coincidental.

So, if I'm looking at this correctly, Henry Huggard Oliver b. 1844 and Annie Cullen Oliver b. 1841 are siblings. Henry married Hannah Bell, then Sarah Shaw. Henry & Hannah produced Henry Huggard Oliver b. 1871 who married Isabella Fairbourne and Henry & Sarah produced Annie Rose Howitt Oliver. Then we have Annie Cullen Oliver and she married George W. Stull and they produced, among others, Henry Huggard Oliver Stull. The Huggard name seems to be very popular but no idea where it came from. What I can't get my head around is the Annie Georgina situation mentioned above.

Interestingly, siblings Annie Cullen Oliver (b1841 Ontario) and Henry H Oliver (born c1845 Ontario)- children of Henry H Oliver and Catherine ?, both give their origin as Irish on the 1871 Canadian Census.

I'm trying to make sense of it all too- this is what I can make out on the Stulls.

Annie Cullen Oliver b1841, daughter of Henry H Oliver and Catherine ?, married George W Stull in 1864. Annie and George had children- Henry H O Stull (b1868) and Frederick William Stull (b1866)

Henry H O Stull born 1868, the son of Annie Cullen Oliver and George W Stull, married Catherine Eliza (Katherina) Stull (most likely a cousin?). They had lots of children, but sadly most died young (most listed on familysearch)-
Henry H O Stull (b1897 d 1898),
Annie Georgina Stull (b & d 1899),
Frederica Ann Kathleen Stull (b1900).
Isabel Sarah Stull (b1902 d1906),
Joyce Wilma Stull (b & d 1904),
Laura Madeline Stull (b1907),
Emma Pauline Stull (b & d 1909),
Alfred Cullen Stull (b1912)

Frederick William Stull b1866, son of Annie Cullen Oliver and George W Stull, married Nellie Shultz in 1899 and had children:
Annie Kathleen Stull (b1901)
Georgina Ellen Stull (b1902)
George Henry David Stull (b1905)

If this isn't correct let me know and I'll delete it- the last thing I want to do is confuse Yvonne more

Hi Yvonne

I would guess that Catherine & Henry were related in some way, possible cousins?

Thanks for keeping at this ... it is most confusing. I'm just looking at the last post of Margee and Gins. If Catherine Eliza's surname is Stull then how does Henry Huggard Oliver get Stull added to his name? I've noticed a few times on references I've seen for other names that sometimes the maiden name of the spouse is added right after the husband's name, with no comma. Do you think this could've been the case here?

1891 Census of Canada

Name:Katharine Stull

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Age:14

Birth Year:abt 1877

Birthplace:Ontario

Relation to Head of House:Daughter

Religion:Church of England

French Canadian:No

Father's Name:Albert E Stull

Father's Birth Place:Ontario

Mother's name:Sarah Stull

Mother's Birth Place:Ontario

Province:Ontario

District Number:88

District:Lincoln and Niagara

Subdistrict:Grantham

Household Members:


Albert E Stull 37
Sarah Stull 39
Katharine Stull 14
Florence Stull 10
John Stull 2
Thomas Fuller 72

I found a Henry Stull * Catherine Eliza Stull earlier today

This looks like her birth


Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913


Name:Catharine Eliza Stull

Date of Birth:24 Nov 1876

Gender:Female

Birth County or District:Lincoln

Father's Name:
Alfred Stull

Mother's name:
Sarah Fuller

Archive Name:Archives of Ontario

Archive Series:MS929

Archive Reel:29

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Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928


Name:Elizabeth C. Stull

Spouse Name:Henry H. O. Stull

Marriage Date:2 Sep 1896

Marriage Location:Homer

Registration Number:54916

Death of Catherine Eliza gives name of informant as H.H.O. Stull and name of her father as Alfred Ernest but no surname unless Ernest is a surname.

Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
about Catherine Eliza Stull Name: Catherine Eliza Stull
Death Date: 19 Aug 1914
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birth Location: Guelph, Ontario

Well spotted Gins!! I knew I was getting confused as I was writing it- think I'll stay out of this one :D thanks for the correction

The birth that you mention Helen, looks like the mother wasn't Annie Cullen Stull



Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913


Name:Annie Georgina Stull

Date of Birth:6 Jan 1899

Gender:Female

Birth County or District:Wellington

Father's Name:H H O Stull

Mother's name:Catherine E Stull

Archive Name:Archives of Ontario

Archive Series:MS929

Archive Reel:148

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Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947

Name:Annie Georgina Stull

Death Date:24 Mar 1899

Death County or District:Wellington

Death State:Ontario

Death Country:Canada

Age:0

Gender:Female

Estimated birth year:abt 1899

Birth Location:Guelph, Ontario

Cause of death: Pyaemia

Yvonne- I think it'll be easier to sort when you have it on a tree.
Rootgather- I think you're right the McStubb name is most likely mistranscibed as this is the details of their son Frederick's marriage:

(Wellington Co) Frederick William STULL, 34, dealer in produce, Glenwilliam, Guelph son of George William STULL and Annie Cullen OLIVER married Nellie SHULTZ, 23, Rockwood, same daughter of David SHULTZ and Ellen GRIEVE, witness – David SHULTZ and Maggie SHULTZ, December 27, 1899, Rockwood

Good morning ... I think. Wow, you guys have been busy. At first glance I'm even more confused. I'll have to go through all this info. In answer to your question Gins about what I'm trying to find. I guess I'm trying to find how Stull comes into the picture and how it fits into my tree. Huggard is an unusual name and it seems to have been passed down the generations.
Thanks so much ... will get back soon.

Helen, there seems to be gaps in the BMDs.

Now the marriage I posted for Annie Cullen Oliver gives her spouse as George McStubb. There is no image to look at but I wonder if his name has been mistranscibed and should read G W Stull?

Think there will be more confusion further back as I think this is possibly first cousins marrying!

Name: Catharine Oliver
Birth Place: Guelph
Residence: Guelph
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Father Name: Henry Oliver
Mother Name: Catharine Oliver
Spouse Name: Henry Oliver
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1844
Spouse Birth Place: Guelph
Spouse Residence: Garafraxa Township
Spouse Father Name: Robert Oliver
Spouse Mother Name: Christiana Oliver
Marriage Date: 5 Nov 1866
Marriage County or District: Wellington

Name: George Wm Stull
Death Date: 7 Feb 1899
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 61
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Birth Location: Georgetown, Ontario

"So looks like the Stull side comes from Annie Cullen Oliver, sister of Henry Huggard Oliver who married Hannah Bell?" Nice work Rootgather- certainly looks to be the case.

I can see why Yvonne was getting confused!! Annie Cullen Stull (nee Oliver) had a daughter Annie Georgina Stull, who was born 1899 and died 25th March 1899. Henry H Oliver (son of Henry and Hannah/ Annie Cullen's Nephew) and his wife Isabella also had a daughter born 25th March 1899 which they named Annie Georgina Oliver- I've confused myself just writing this :)

Edit: Wrong info above!! Annie Georgina Stull that was born in 1899 and died 25th March 1899 was the daughter of HHO Stull and Catherine E Stull

1871

Name: Fredrick W Stull
Gender: Male
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1866
Birth Place: Ontario
Religion: Presbyterian
Origin: German
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington North
District Number: 35
Division: 03
Subdistrict: Maryborough
Subdistrict Number: a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
G W Stull 34
Annie C Stull 28
Fredrick W Stull 5
Henry H C Stull 4

1901

Name: Annie C Stull
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 60
Birth Day & Month: 20 Dec
Birth Year: 1840
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Head
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Church Of England
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington (south/sud)
District Number: 126
Sub-District: Guelph (City/Cité)
Sub-District Number: E-3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie C Stull 60
Fredrick W Stull 34
Henney H Stull 32
Fredia Conelius Stull 1
Annie C Stull 8month
Hellen Stull 26
Katherina L Stull 24
Jennie M Stull 24
Mary Stull 26

Name: Frederick William Stull
Birth Place: Glen Williams
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Father Name: George Wm Stull
Mother Name: Annie Cullen Oliver Stull <<<<<<
Spouse Name: Nellie Shultz
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1876
Spouse Birth Place: Rockwood
Spouse Father Name: David Shultz
Spouse Mother Name: Ellen Grieve
Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1899
Marriage County or District: Wellington


Name: Anne Cullen Oliver
Birth Place: Canada
Residence: Guelph
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Father Name: Henry Haggard
Mother Name: Catharine
Spouse Name: George McStubb
Spouse's Age: 30
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1834
Spouse Birth Place: Canada
Spouse Residence: Esquesing
Spouse Father Name: William
Spouse Mother Name: Julia Anne
Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1864
Marriage Location: Guelph
Marriage County or District: Wellington


So looks like the Stull side comes from Annie Cullen Oliver, sister of Henry Huggard Oliver who married Hannah Bell?

Name: Henry H O Stull
Death Date: 5 Jan 1898
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 0, aged 5 months
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Birth Location: Guelph, Ontario


Name: Henry H O Stull
Date of Birth: 7 Aug 1897
Gender: Male
Birth County or District: Wellington
Father's Name: Henry H O Stull
Mother's name: Catherine Eliza Stull
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS929
Archive Reel: 140


1911

Name: H O Stull
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 42
Birth Date: August
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Son
Spouse's Name: Kathleen Stull
Father's Name: G W Stull
Tribal: Canadian
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington South
District Number: 134
Sub-District: Guelph
Sub-District Number: 31
Place of Habitation: 2 Wakinsson
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mrs G W Stull 68
H O Stull 42
Kathleen Stull 30
Fredrica Stull 11
Laura L Stull 4


Name: Catherine Eliza Stull
Death Date: 19 Aug 1914
Death County or District: Wellington
Death State: Ontario
Death Country: Canada
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birth Location: Guelph, Ontario