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9 Aug 2014 22:10 |
Death of Ruth's first husband:
JONES, JOHN. Trimmer, 4471TS. Royal Naval Reserve, H.M. Trawler “Etoile Polaire.” Died 3 December 1915. Aged 25. Husband of Ruth Ollerenshaw (formerly Jones) of 91, North Road, Carnforth, Lancashire. Commemorated on the Plymouth Naval Memorial. Panel 8
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KathleenBell
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7 Aug 2014 11:32 |
Just being nosey Margaret, but please come back to this thread and let us know if you do manage to find the graves.
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KathleenBell
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7 Aug 2014 11:18 |
This could be George's death:-
First name(s) GEORGE Last name OLLERENSHAW Gender Male Birth day 21 Birth month 9 Birth year 1922 Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 1995 District LANCASTER District number 5871A Register number A53B Entry number 099 Date of registration mm/yy 0595 County Lancashire Country England
It would be strange if Muriel didn't know about this child since he lived into his 70's and died in Lancaster.
Kath. x
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SylviaInCanada
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7 Aug 2014 05:40 |
Does Muriel know there was a 3rd child????????????
Births Dec 1922 (>99%) Ollerenshaw George Wilcock Lancaster 8e 938
Births Mar 1925 (>99%) Ollerenshaw Joan Wilcock Lancaster 8e 937
Births Dec 1926 (>99%) Ollerenshaw Muriel Wilcock Lancaster 8e 896
I can't see a death for George ????????????
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PollyPoppet
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6 Aug 2014 23:27 |
your welcome will keep an eye on this post and will help in any way I can PP :-)
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Margaret
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6 Aug 2014 23:22 |
Thanks again Pollypoppet, I'll pass all this on though I'm going to try and make some sort of tree out of this lot before I go see Muriel tomorrow
Regards Margaret
Thanks to you all for your time and patience and thanks from Muriel too. xx
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PollyPoppet
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6 Aug 2014 23:18 |
same family in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street STOCKPORT ROAD FLETCHER STREET Parish DENTON Town DENTON City County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District ST MARY THE VIRGIN Enumeration District 12 Municipal Ward EAST Parliamentary Borough GORTON SOUTH EAST Registration District ASHTON UNDER LYNE Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name WILLIAM Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1863 Age 38 Birth Town GLOSSOP Birth County DERBYSHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Male Occupation COLLIERY MANAGER COAL Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 2
First Name ALICE A Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1863 Age 38 Birth Town DUKINFIELD Birth County CHESHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Gender Female Occupation Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 3
First Name LEMUEL Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1884 Age 17 Birth Town DUKINFIELD Birth County CHESHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation HORSE DRIVER IN COLLIERY Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 4
First Name ANNIE Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1887 Age 14 Birth Town DUKINFIELD Birth County CHESHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 5
First Name EDITH Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1889 Age 12 Birth Town DUKINFIELD Birth County CHESHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 6
First Name MENE Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1891 Age 10 Birth Town ASHTON Birth County LANCASHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation Condition Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 7
First Name WILLIAM Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1893 Age 8 Birth Town ASHTON Birth County LANCASHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation Condition Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 8
First Name FRANK Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1895 Age 6 Birth Town ASHTON Birth County LANCASHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation Condition Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 9
First Name HAROLD Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1897 Age 4 Birth Town ASHTON Birth County LANCASHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation Condition Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
Person 10
First Name FRED Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1900 Age 1 Birth Town DENTON Birth County LANCASHIRE Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation Condition Archive Reference RG13 Folio 109 Page 28 Piece Number 3791
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PollyPoppet
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6 Aug 2014 23:10 |
I agree with you both didn't seem right there is this one seems bit better
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Address 22 FLETCHER ST STOCKPORT ROAD DENTON LANCASHIRE Parish DENTON County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District Enumeration District 10 Registration District ASHTON UNDER LYNE Registration District Number 468 SubDistrict Number 5 Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name WILLIAM Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1864 Age 47 Where Born GLOSSOP DERBYSHIRE Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Male Condition MARRIED Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation COLLIERY MANAGER Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
Person 2
First Name ALICE ANN Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1864 Age 47 Where Born DUKINFIELD CHESHIRE Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Gender Female Condition MARRIED Year Of Marriage 1887 Years Of Marriage 24 Occupation Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
Person 3
First Name WILLIAM Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1892 Age 19 Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation COLLIERY WORKMAN BELOW GROUND Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
Person 4
First Name ANNIE Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1886 Age 25 Where Born DUKINFIELD CHESHIRE Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
Person 5
First Name MENE Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1891 Age 20 Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
Person 6
First Name FRANK Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1895 Age 16 Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation BAKERS ASSISTANT Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
Person 7
First Name HAROLD Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1897 Age 14 Where Born ASHTON U LYNE LANCS Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation PRINTERS APPRENTICE Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
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First Name FRED Last Name OLLERENSHAW Birth Year 1901 Age 10 Where Born DENTON LANCS Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation AT SCHOOL Military Info Census Reference RG14PN24395 RG78PN1398 RD468 SD5 ED10 SN309 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 24395
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 23:07 |
I hope you manage to find the grave for Muriel. I don't know what the staff are like at the cemetery in Carnforth, but here in the north-east the staff at our local cemeteries are really helpful and will look up burials for you without cost if you have an approximate date of death. They will also then mark the grave on a cemetery map for you so you can either find it yourself or they will take you to the grave themselves.
I have nothing but praise for our local cemetery workers - especially at Hartlepool's Stranton Grange Cemetery Office.
Hope you find the same in Lancashire for Muriel's sake.
Kath. x
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Margaret
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6 Aug 2014 23:03 |
Hiya Pollypoppet,
Thanks for taking the trouble to search, but not sure that these are correct, I don't recall Birmingham being mentioned, but I'll ask Muriel tomorrow before I rule any out. Are you saying that these are the parents to William George.
I've just checked some of the info and I think the Wm I'm looking for is born 1892 not 1889 as you've shown.
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 22:59 |
PollyPoppet
I don't think the census for William G. Ollerenshaw you posted is the correct one as it doesn't match with the date of birth given on the death record. The only birth that matches the death record is the one Patchem posted earlier - in Stockport, not Birmingham.
Kath. x
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Margaret
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6 Aug 2014 22:58 |
OMG Kath, and I got the calculator out to work it out aswell. Trust me. She must 88 this year then, her birthdays in October
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 22:51 |
Don't upset Muriel by mentioning it but she's actually 87 now, not 86, lol.
Kath. x
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 22:46 |
Possibly Ruth's parent's marriage (right time according to 1911 census):-
Year Of Marriage 1880 First name(s) JAMES Last name WILCOCK Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1880 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ JAMES WILCOCK married one of these people MARY WHORNBY, ****ALICE WILKINSON**** Spouse's last name - District LANCASTER County Lancashire Country England Volume 8E Page 883
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 22:43 |
The 1911 census for Ruth's parents say they had had 17 children. 14 still living in 1911 and 3 had died.
They were living at 1 Grosvenor Place Carnforth.
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Margaret
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6 Aug 2014 22:37 |
thanks Kath x
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 22:37 |
Looks like Ruth was from a large family. This seems to be her with parents and siblings in the 1901 census:-
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Wilcock Head Married Male 41 1860 Railway Guard Highfirld, Lancashire Alice Wilcock Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Galgate, Lancashire Margaret Ann Wilcock Daughter Single Female 20 1881 - Warton, Lancashire William Wilcock Son Single Male 18 1883 Railway Engine Cleaner Warton, Lancashire Elizabeth Alice Wilcock Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Nether Kellett, Lancashire Jennet Dunderdale Wilcock Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Carnforth, Lancashire Emily Wilcock Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Carnforth, Lancashire Ruth Wilcock Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Carnforth, Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nora Wilcock Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Carnforth, Lancashire Rose Wilcock Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Carnforth, Lancashire Constance May Wilcock Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Carnforth, Lancashire Violet Wilcock Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Carnforth, Lancashire Daisy Wilcock Grand Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - London
Address:- 11 Grosvenor Place, Carnforth
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 22:35 |
This seems to be Muriel's mother in the 1911 census before her marriage:-
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Anothony Milner Head Married Male 52 1859 Newspaper Proprieter And Publisher Lancaster Lancaster Agnes Milner Wife Married Female 46 1865 - Cork Cork William Milner Uncle Widower Male 72 1839 Newspaper Proprieter And Publisher Lancaster Lancaster Marjorie Whitehead Visitor Single Female 18 1893 - Westmorland Appleby Ruth Wilcock Servant Single Female 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Lancaster Carnforth<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Address 8 Middle Street, Lancaster.
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Margaret
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6 Aug 2014 22:33 |
Thankyou all for your help, I'm going to try and follow these up tomorrow with Muriel and I'll do a hand drawn tree for her son Tony to start from. Thanks again
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KathleenBell
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6 Aug 2014 22:27 |
This looks like the step-sister's birth:-
First name(s) MARGARET Last name JONES Birth year 1915 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's last name WILCOCK District LANCASTER County Lancashire Country England Volume 8E Page 1239
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