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6 Aug 2014 16:40 |
I am looking to find the name of my GG (William Bevan Todd) parents. He was raised in Aberdare, Glamorgan having had his birth registered at Pontypridd but I can't find the name of his parents. He married Margaret Ann Uzzell in 1902 and my granddad (Vivian) was their fifth child of 11
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Astra
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6 Aug 2014 16:47 |
Hi William and welcome to the Community.
Possible in 1881. He is in an Industrial School in 1891 with possible brothers John 10 and Robert 7
Name: William Todd Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Todd Mother's name: Elizabeth Todd Gender: Male Where born: Aberdare Civil Parish: Aberdare County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: 62 High St Education: View image Employment status: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5322 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age William Todd 66 Elizabeth Todd 26 William Todd 2
Births Dec 1881 (>99%) TODD John Bright Merthyr Tydfil 11a 484
Births Jun 1883 (>99%) Todd Robert James Merthyr T. 11a 562
Could be that the father William dies
Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%) TODD William 74 Merthyr T. 11a 307
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6 Aug 2014 16:48 |
tree on ancestry has this, William Todd and Elizabeth Bevan, the birth cert will confirrm or otherwise.
1881 Wales Census about William Todd Name: William Todd Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Todd Mother's name: Elizabeth Todd Gender: Male Where born: Aberdare Civil Parish: Aberdare County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: 62 High St Education: View image Employment status: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5322 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age William Todd 66 Elizabeth Todd 26 William Todd 2 View original image
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ArgyllGran
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6 Aug 2014 16:48 |
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1881 Wales Census about William Todd Name: William Todd Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Todd Mother's name: Elizabeth Todd Gender: Male Where born: Aberdare Civil Parish: Aberdare County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: 62 High St Education: View image Employment status: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5322 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age William Todd 66 - Head (Ale & porter merchant) Elizabeth Todd 26 - wife William Todd 2
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ArgyllGran
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6 Aug 2014 16:51 |
In 1891, the William Todd in the institution is with his brother John, aged 10. Did your William have a brother?
[EDIT: Sorry, Astra, just noticed you've already posted this.]
1891 Wales Census about William Todd Name: William Todd Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Inmate Gender: Male Where born: Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Aberdare Ecclesiastical parish: St Tayan Town: Cwmdare County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: Aberdare Industrial School Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4448 Folio: 137 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Francis 28 Ellen Miskell 23 Henry Grice 37 Daniel Williams 42 Samuel Watters 14 William James Dando 11 Rebecca Dando 9 Mary Jane Dando 14 Florence Davies 10 Thomas Williams 11 James Harris 13 James John Morgan 10 Jane Harris 14 Mary Ann Bowen 6 John Evans 12 Elizabeth Ann Richards 12 William Watts 9 Robert Todd 7 Lydia Gillingham 8 Margaret Gould 10 William Ernest Price 10 Elizabeth Evans 5 Rebecca Davies 14 Honora Carey 14 Daniel Loyno 12 Dennis Casey 13 William Todd 12 <<<<<<<<<<< John Todd 10 - brother <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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6 Aug 2014 16:53 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 3 Bargoed Terrace Deri Via Cardiff, Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Wales Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Bevan Todd Head Married Male 32 1879 Night Colliery Repairer Glamorgan Town of Aberdare Image Transcription Margaret Ann Todd Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Glamorgan Parish of Bedwellty Image Transcription William John Todd Son - Male 7 1904 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer Image Transcription Albert Edward Todd Son - Male 5 1906 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer Image Transcription Cyril Bevan Todd Son - Male 3 1908 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer Image Transcription Elizabeth Margaret Todd Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer Image Transcription Robert James Todd Brother Single Male 26 1885 Colliery Labourer Above Ground Glamorgan Parish of Glamorgan
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ArgyllGran
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6 Aug 2014 17:00 |
Death of his father?
Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%) TODD William 74 Merthyr T. 11a 307
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ArgyllGran
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6 Aug 2014 17:26 |
There's a tree on Ancestry which has photos of him, and says his father William died 1890 (as I've posted above), and his mother was Elizabeth Bevan.
But I don't see any marriage for them.
The tree says this is Elizabeth in 1871. Certainly she's born Monmouthshire, as was William B's mother, and she's in Pontypridd, but the tree doesn't give any birth or marriage record for her.
1871 Wales Census about Elizabeth Bevan Name: Elizabeth Bevan Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Bevan Mother's name: Elizabeth Bevan Gender: Female Where born: Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanwonno Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret Town: Mountain Ash County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Pontypridd Sub-registration district: Pontypridd ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 402 Piece: 5377 Folio: 62 Page Number: 51 Household Members: Name Age George Bevan 37 Elizabeth Bevan 38 Elizabeth Bevan 15 Lydia Bevan 8 William D Bevan 6 Isaac Parker 46
The tree also says she had two children: William 1978-1931 John 1881 - ?
As per 1891 census in the institution? The 1891 is the only "proof" the tree gives of John's existence.
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Astra
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6 Aug 2014 17:56 |
The boys appear to have all been baptised in the industrial School but there are no parents names.
This puts them in the school before William dies.
Name: John Bright Todd Event Type: Baptism Event Date: 1887 Event Place: Aberdare St. Fagan, Glamorgan, Wales Address: Industrial School
Name: William Bevan Todd Event Type: Baptism Event Date: 1887 Event Place: Aberdare St. Fagan, Glamorgan, Wales Address: Industrial School
there is also this for Robert although I am not sure if he is the correct one even though the parents match.
Name: Robert Todd Event Type: Baptism Event Date: 1890 Event Place: Aberdare St. Fagan, Glamorgan, Wales Address: Aberdare Occupation: Hawker Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Elizabeth
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Mary
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7 Aug 2014 11:23 |
Confused .com. It seems as though George and Elizabeth could have had a Lydia 1861 died 1862
A Lydia 1863 married George Hyslop Pickering 1891 he died 1938 probate to widow Lydia and George BEVAN Pickering solicitor.
What I don't understand how they had a daughter Elizabeth Bevan 1855 who married Thomas Dobbs and is with him 1881 32 High Street .The time when she supposedly with William Todd at 62 High Street.
1891Cencus with George and Elizabeth Bevan is a granddaughter lena Dobbs 1880 + daughter Lydia 1863.
1881 32 High Street Mountain Ash Thomas Dobbs 1851 Gloucestershire Elizabeth Dobbs 1856 Trevethin. George age 3 Lena Dobbs 1880 died 1902
Marriage Thomas Dobbs to Elizabeth Bevan Mertyhr Tydfil A/M/J 1877 1891 Thomas Dobbs a widow with son Geo Dobbs. Elizabeth Dobbs 1856 died 1882 11a 348
George enlisted in Army 1894.He married Agnes Amelia Kite 1904 in Somerset.
The point being that the census returns above with Elizabeth Bevan 1855 daughter of George and Elizabeth and a sister Lydia 1863 could be the wrong family!!
Maryb.
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Cynthia
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7 Aug 2014 13:15 |
I'll let William know that he has replies to his query. :-)
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William
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7 Aug 2014 15:48 |
Thanks everyone. I think that William Bevan is a different family because Bevan was his middle name and Todd was his surname.
I did know about the boys in the Aberdare school and that they were baptised on the same day (presumably to get in the school) but that record doesn't state any parents.
He definitely had a brother Robert 'Bob' James Todd who lived with him and his family and he talks about his sister Lizzie in his diaries.
I did think that the Ale and Porter merchant was his father and that aged 66, he may have died and left Elizabeth unable to care for the boys which is why they went to the residential school but wouldn't they have recorded who his parents were? Newspaper reports at the time, show William Todd snr to have been a well respected businessman in the town.
And also, I couldn't understand why his father, having gone to the trouble of giving his son a middle name at birth, wouldn't then include it on the 1881 Census just two years later. This made me think that these William Todds were a different family.
(Thank you for all the research you have done and for alerting me to the thread)
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Mary
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7 Aug 2014 18:09 |
Maybe if you sent for his birth cert and marriage cert it would give you the info that you need.
Please come back and let us know if you get any further with your search.
Do you have anymore info on his sister Lizzie that you didn't tell us about in your opening thread,also the newspaper info on William Todd Snr.
Maryb.
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William
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7 Aug 2014 20:13 |
I don't know anything about Lizzie. I don't even know if she is an older or younger sibling. Or, even if she is a sister in law. His diary just mentions talking to his 'sister Lizzie'
I think I am going to have to get his birth certificate but I was hoping not to have to as I have very limited funds.
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