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I am looking to find the name of my GG (William Bevan Todd) parents.
He was raised in Aberdare, Glamorgan having had his birth registered at Pontypridd but I can't find the name of his parents.
He married Margaret Ann Uzzell in 1902 and my granddad (Vivian) was their fifth child of 11

Hi William and welcome to the Community.

Possible in 1881. He is in an Industrial School in 1891 with possible brothers John 10 and Robert 7

Name: William Todd
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Todd
Mother's name: Elizabeth Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare
Civil Parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 62 High St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5322
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Todd 66
Elizabeth Todd 26
William Todd 2

Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
TODD John Bright Merthyr Tydfil 11a 484

Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
Todd Robert James Merthyr T. 11a 562

Could be that the father William dies

Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%)
TODD William 74 Merthyr T. 11a 307

tree on ancestry has this, William Todd and Elizabeth Bevan, the birth cert will confirrm or otherwise.

1881 Wales Census about William Todd
Name: William Todd
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Todd
Mother's name: Elizabeth Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare
Civil Parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 62 High St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5322
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Todd 66
Elizabeth Todd 26
William Todd 2

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1881 Wales Census about William Todd
Name: William Todd
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Todd
Mother's name: Elizabeth Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare
Civil Parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 62 High St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5322
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Todd 66 - Head (Ale & porter merchant)
Elizabeth Todd 26 - wife
William Todd 2

In 1891, the William Todd in the institution is with his brother John, aged 10.
Did your William have a brother?


[EDIT: Sorry, Astra, just noticed you've already posted this.]


1891 Wales Census about William Todd
Name: William Todd
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Aberdare
Ecclesiastical parish: St Tayan
Town: Cwmdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: Aberdare Industrial School
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4448
Folio: 137
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Francis 28
Ellen Miskell 23
Henry Grice 37
Daniel Williams 42
Samuel Watters 14
William James Dando 11
Rebecca Dando 9
Mary Jane Dando 14
Florence Davies 10
Thomas Williams 11
James Harris 13
James John Morgan 10
Jane Harris 14
Mary Ann Bowen 6
John Evans 12
Elizabeth Ann Richards 12
William Watts 9
Robert Todd 7
Lydia Gillingham 8
Margaret Gould 10
William Ernest Price 10
Elizabeth Evans 5
Rebecca Davies 14
Honora Carey 14
Daniel Loyno 12
Dennis Casey 13
William Todd 12 <<<<<<<<<<<
John Todd 10 - brother <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Bargoed Terrace Deri Via Cardiff, Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Wales
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bevan Todd Head Married Male 32 1879 Night Colliery Repairer Glamorgan Town of Aberdare
Image Transcription
Margaret Ann Todd Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Glamorgan Parish of Bedwellty
Image Transcription
William John Todd Son - Male 7 1904 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer
Image Transcription
Albert Edward Todd Son - Male 5 1906 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer
Image Transcription
Cyril Bevan Todd Son - Male 3 1908 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer
Image Transcription
Elizabeth Margaret Todd Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Glamorgan Parish of Gelligaer
Image Transcription
Robert James Todd Brother Single Male 26 1885 Colliery Labourer Above Ground Glamorgan Parish of Glamorgan

Death of his father?

Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%)
TODD William 74 Merthyr T. 11a 307

There's a tree on Ancestry which has photos of him, and says his father William died 1890 (as I've posted above), and his mother was Elizabeth Bevan.

But I don't see any marriage for them.

The tree says this is Elizabeth in 1871. Certainly she's born Monmouthshire, as was William B's mother, and she's in Pontypridd, but the tree doesn't give any birth or marriage record for her.


1871 Wales Census about Elizabeth Bevan
Name: Elizabeth Bevan
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Bevan
Mother's name: Elizabeth Bevan
Gender: Female
Where born: Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanwonno
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Mountain Ash
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Pontypridd
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 402
Piece: 5377
Folio: 62
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
George Bevan 37
Elizabeth Bevan 38
Elizabeth Bevan 15
Lydia Bevan 8
William D Bevan 6
Isaac Parker 46

The tree also says she had two children:
William 1978-1931
John 1881 - ?

As per 1891 census in the institution?
The 1891 is the only "proof" the tree gives of John's existence.

The boys appear to have all been baptised in the industrial School but there are no parents names.

This puts them in the school before William dies.

Name: John Bright Todd
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1887
Event Place: Aberdare St. Fagan, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Industrial School

Name: William Bevan Todd
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1887
Event Place: Aberdare St. Fagan, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Industrial School

there is also this for Robert although I am not sure if he is the correct one even though the parents match.

Name: Robert Todd
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1890
Event Place: Aberdare St. Fagan, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: Aberdare
Occupation: Hawker
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

Confused .com.
It seems as though George and Elizabeth could have had a Lydia 1861 died 1862

A Lydia 1863 married George Hyslop Pickering 1891 he died 1938 probate to widow Lydia and George BEVAN Pickering solicitor.

What I don't understand how they had a daughter Elizabeth Bevan 1855 who married Thomas Dobbs and is with him 1881 32 High Street .The time when she supposedly with William Todd at 62 High Street.


1891Cencus with George and Elizabeth Bevan is a granddaughter lena Dobbs 1880 + daughter Lydia 1863.

1881 32 High Street Mountain Ash
Thomas Dobbs 1851 Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Dobbs 1856 Trevethin.
George age 3
Lena Dobbs 1880 died 1902

Marriage Thomas Dobbs to Elizabeth Bevan Mertyhr Tydfil A/M/J 1877
1891 Thomas Dobbs a widow with son Geo Dobbs.
Elizabeth Dobbs 1856 died 1882 11a 348

George enlisted in Army 1894.He married Agnes Amelia Kite 1904 in Somerset.

The point being that the census returns above with Elizabeth Bevan 1855 daughter of George and Elizabeth and a sister Lydia 1863 could be the wrong family!!

Maryb.

I'll let William know that he has replies to his query. :-)

Thanks everyone. I think that William Bevan is a different family because Bevan was his middle name and Todd was his surname.

I did know about the boys in the Aberdare school and that they were baptised on the same day (presumably to get in the school) but that record doesn't state any parents.

He definitely had a brother Robert 'Bob' James Todd who lived with him and his family and he talks about his sister Lizzie in his diaries.

I did think that the Ale and Porter merchant was his father and that aged 66, he may have died and left Elizabeth unable to care for the boys which is why they went to the residential school but wouldn't they have recorded who his parents were? Newspaper reports at the time, show William Todd snr to have been a well respected businessman in the town.

And also, I couldn't understand why his father, having gone to the trouble of giving his son a middle name at birth, wouldn't then include it on the 1881 Census just two years later. This made me think that these William Todds were a different family.

(Thank you for all the research you have done and for alerting me to the thread)

Maybe if you sent for his birth cert and marriage cert it would give you the info that you need.

Please come back and let us know if you get any further with your search.

Do you have anymore info on his sister Lizzie that you didn't tell us about in your opening thread,also the newspaper info on William Todd Snr.

Maryb.

I don't know anything about Lizzie. I don't even know if she is an older or younger sibling. Or, even if she is a sister in law. His diary just mentions talking to his 'sister Lizzie'

I think I am going to have to get his birth certificate but I was hoping not to have to as I have very limited funds.