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22 Jul 2014 19:09 |
For who ever wishes to try and solve it.
In one family of TURNERS I have Eliza b 1819 d 1834 Ann b 1823 d c 1891 m 1843 to Francis Adams Richard b 1824 .......maybe died 1883 Alexander b1828 d 1882 m 1852 Ellen Carnall m 1856 Ann Carnall Rosamund b 1835 d 1835
They were all born in Ridgeway Derbyshire to Robert Turner and Ann Drury.. The girls are accounted for but ............*drum roll* in 1881 Alexander living at 35 Florence St Attercliffe Sheffield has nieces Esther H J Turner 8 and Florence J Turner 1 Wadsley Yorks visiting.
Who are Esther and Florence ??? The only sibling left for them to be nieces is Richard and from what I can follow of Richard in 1851 and 1861 he lived at home a carpenter joiner his father died in 1865, Mum already dead so I think this is him 1871 workhouse chesterfield joiner ..inbecile from birth ? b1823 1881 workhouse Chesterfield joiner imbecile So I can´t see that he is their father Also I can´t find births for either of them :-S nor can I find them after 1881
Anybody fancy trying to solve it ??
PS there was a Esther Hannah J Haigh born in Doncaster in 1873 but not a Florence and I can´t tally the Haighs into it either.
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alviegal
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22 Jul 2014 19:27 |
I hope you don't mind me adding census details. I find it easier to work out connections this way.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 35, Florence Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Alex Turner Head Married Male 52 1829 Carpenter Ridgeway, Derbyshire Image Transcription Ann Turner Wife Married Female 55 1826 - Ridgeway, Derbyshire Image Transcription Harry Turner Son Single Male 23 1858 Blacksmith Ridgeway, Derbyshire Image Transcription Esther E Turner Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Dressmaker Ridgeway, Derbyshire Image Transcription John C Turner Son Single Male 16 1865 Rlwy Carriage Finisher Ridgeway, Derbyshire Image Transcription Eliza Turner Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Ridgeway, Derbyshire Image Transcription Esther H J Turner Niece Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Wadsley, Yorkshire Image Transcription Florence J Turner Niece Single Female 1 1880 Visitor Wadsley, Yorkshire
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Florence Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Alex Turner Head - Male 42 1829 - Derbyshire Image Transcription Ann Turner Wife - Female 45 1826 - Derbyshire Image Transcription William Turner Son - Male 14 1857 - Derbyshire Image Transcription Harry Turner Son - Male 13 1858 - Derbyshire Image Transcription Annis Turner Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Derbyshire Image Transcription John C Turner Son - Male 6 1865 - Derbyshire Image Transcription Eliza Turner Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Derbyshire
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Sload Lane, Eckington Troway, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Alex Turner Head Married Male 32 1829 Master Joiner Derby Eckington Image Transcription Ann Turner Wife Married Female 35 1826 - Derby Eckington Image Transcription William Turner Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Derby Eckington Image Transcription Harry Turner Son - Male 3 1858 - Derby Eckington Image Transcription Esther E Turner Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Derby Eckington
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ridgway Moor, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Turner Head Married Male 56 1795 Carpenter Employing 2 Man Eckington, Derbyshire Image Transcription Sarah Turner Wife Married Female 39 1812 Carpenter Wife Eckington, Derbyshire Image Transcription Richard Turner Son Unmarried Male 26 1825 Carpenter Journeyman Eckington, Derbyshire Image Transcription Alexander Turner Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Carpenter Journeyman Eckington, Derbyshire Image Transcription Tirza Rhodes Daughter-In-Law Unmarried Female 15 1836 Servant Sheffield, Yorkshire
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ridgway, Eckington, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Robt Turner Male 40 1801 Derbyshire Image Transcription Ann Turner Female 30 1811 Derbyshire Image Transcription Ann Turner Female 20 1821 Derbyshire Image Transcription Richard Turner Male 15 1826 Derbyshire Image Transcription Alick Turner Male 13 1828 Derbyshire Image Transcription Samuel Goodwin Male 15 1826 Derbyshire, carpenter's apprentice
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MargaretM
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22 Jul 2014 19:28 |
I notice on the 1881 census Esther H.J. seems to be living with the family but Florence J. is just a visitor so possibly not sisters.
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MargaretM
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22 Jul 2014 19:35 |
How does this fit in? The Turners are stepchildren.
1891 England Census about Florence Turner Name: Florence Turner Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relation: Stepdaughter Mother's name: Caroline Clarke Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 45 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3809 Folio: 30 Page Number: 53 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Clarke 44 Caroline Clarke 44 Tom Clarke 20 John Turner 19 Robert W Clarke 12 Florence Turner 11 John U Clarke 10
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MargaretM
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22 Jul 2014 19:42 |
Sorry, that 1891 is probably a different family, they have Florence in 1881 aged 2.
1881 England Census about Florence Turner Name: Florence Turner Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: William Turner Mother: Caroline Turner Gender: Female Where born: Heeley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Heeley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: CT 1 No 3 Heeley Green Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 61 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4640 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age William Turner 38 Caroline Turner 34 William R. Turner 13 Alice M. Turner 12 John Turner 11 Frederick Turner 7 Emma Turner 5 Florence Turner 2
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UzziAndHerDogs
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22 Jul 2014 19:47 |
Alviegal add all you want .if it helps
Margee I looked into that one but Caroline comes up as a dead end to my family I will say I hadn´t thought about them not being sisters as they are both from the same area. Mind even if they were step children as Turners they are direct to Alexander Turner (Uncle)
It doesn´t help that I can´t find births for either of them
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UzziAndHerDogs
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22 Jul 2014 19:49 |
I will add that I also wondered about the J in both of their names ...as in maybe Turner isn´t their real surname ?
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alviegal
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22 Jul 2014 20:06 |
I take it Robert married Sarah before 1851 and Thirza Rhodes may have been her daughter?
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Marsh Lane, Eckington, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Robt Gladall Male 55 1786 Derbyshire Image Transcription Ann Gladall Female 55 1786 Derbyshire Image Transcription Mark Gladall Male 15 1826 Derbyshire Image Transcription Geo Gladall Male 15 1826 Derbyshire Image Transcription Eliza Gladall Female 15 1826 Derbyshire Image Transcription Thirza Roades Female 6 1835 -
The Turner girls are proving to be a mystery. Sorry must go now but will look back. :-S
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Choccy
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22 Jul 2014 20:37 |
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Births Dec 1872
Jowle Esther Harriet Wortley 9c 235
Births Sep 1879
Jowle Florence Wortley 9c 279
Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
Jowle Esther Harriett Ecclesall B. 9c 567 Reed Alfred Enoch Ecclesall B. 9c 567
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22 Jul 2014 20:38 |
Alviegal Robert married Sarah Rhodes (second marriage) in 1850 Thirza was his step daughter They had 2 children Eliza b 1851 Ridgeway married Joseph Levick 1870 so not her children Mark b 1854 married Eunice Renshaw in 1878 and died in 1878
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Choccy
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22 Jul 2014 20:39 |
1911 England Census
Name: Esther Harriett Reed Age in 1911: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Birth Place: Wadsley, Sheffield
Civil Parish: Ecclesall County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 53 Greaves St Sheffield Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Registration District Number: 509 Sub-registration district: Ecclesall North ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 27714
Household Members:
Alfred Enoch Reed 37 Esther Harriett Reed 38
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22 Jul 2014 20:42 |
Choccy you crossed posts there and Jowle is a name that I know well in my tree you just may have cracked it ..Now to find out who the parents are ???
Bless you
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safc
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22 Jul 2014 20:48 |
JOWLE, Esther Harriet (of Wadsley, born ~). Baptised October 27, 1872, by F C Morton at Wadsley, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Annie & Christopher (Quarry Man). Note:
http://sheffieldindexers.com/ParishBaptismIndex.html
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Choccy
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22 Jul 2014 20:49 |
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Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
Belk Annie Wortley 9c 269 JOWLE Christopher Wortley 9c 269
1881 England Census
Name:Cristopher Jowle Age:32 Estimated birth year:abt 1849 Relationship to Head:Head Spouse:Annie Jowle Gender:Male Where born:Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Ecclesfield County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England
Street address:Park Nook
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Laborer
Registration district:Wortley Sub-registration district:Ecclesfield ED, institution, or vessel:12 Piece:4617 Folio:144 Page Number:47
Household Members:
Cristopher Jowle 32 Annie Jowle 28 Clara Jowle 6 William Jowle 5 Sarah H. Jowle 2 Alex T. Jowle
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22 Jul 2014 20:51 |
Deaths Mar 1883
JOWLE Florence 3 Wortley 9c 165
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22 Jul 2014 20:51 |
JOWLE, Florence (of Wadsley, born ~). Baptised August 27, 1879, by M Holmes at Wadsley, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Ellen & John (Cutler). Note:
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22 Jul 2014 20:52 |
JOWLE, Florence (of Wadsley, born ~). Baptised August 27, 1879, by M Holmes at Wadsley, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Ellen & John (Cutler). Note:
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22 Jul 2014 20:55 |
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Name: John P Jowle Age (Original): 36 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1845 Birthplace: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Spring Knife Cutler Address: Park Nook Event Place: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1342115 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 4617 / 144 Page Number: 47
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace John P Jowle Head M 36 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Ellen Jowle Wife F 31 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England John W Jowle Son M 12 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Ann E Jowle Daughter F 10 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Mark Jowle Son M 9 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Ellen Jowle Daughter F 8 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England Martha Jowle Daughter F 6 Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
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22 Jul 2014 20:58 |
Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
BELK Ellen Wortley 9c 289
JOWLE John Pashley Wortley 9c 289
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22 Jul 2014 21:01 |
Name: Christopher Jowle Birth Date: 1847 Birthplace: Age: 25 Spouse's Name: Annie Belk Spouse's Birth Date: 1853 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 19 Event Date: 19 May 1872 Event Place: Ecclesfield, York, England Father's Name: John Jowle Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Mark Belk Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03078-4 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1938073 Reference ID: 90
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