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24 Jul 2014 12:33 |
Thank you again to Catherine. You seem to have found the right family. It also fits in with the information I have on William's marriage certificate where his place of residence is stated as St Georges.
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23 Jul 2014 14:52 |
Looks to be same 1851 family in 1861:-
1861 England Census about William Davis Name: William Davis Age: 21 Estimated birth year: 1840 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Davis Mother's name: Mary Davis Gender: Male Where born: Sponsbury, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Darlaston Ecclesiastical parish: Darlaston St George Town: Darlaston County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Iron Miner Stone
Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Darlaston ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 159 Piece: 2010 Folio: 83 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Robert Davis 47 now gives place of birth as:- born: Buckley, Flintshire, Wales (occupation Blacksmith) Mary Davis 50 born: Pontesbury, Shropshire Thomas Davis 28 William Davis 21 Samuel Davis 16 Robert Davis 13 Maris Davis 11 James Davis 9 Jane Davis 7
and also 1871
1871 England Census about Robert Davies Name: Robert Davies Age: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1814 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Davies Gender: Male Where born: Buckley, Flintshire, Wales Civil Parish: Darlaston Ecclesiastical parish: Darlaston St George Town: Darlaston County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Darlaston ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 48 Piece: 2956 Folio: 102 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Robert Davies 57 Blacksmith Mary Davies 57 Mary Davies 21 (unmarried) Jane Davies 17 (unmarried) William Davies 9 Months Grandson
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23 Jul 2014 14:47 |
Maybe relevant?
Samuel Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 3 January 1845 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: Robert Davies mother: Mary John Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 20 July 1834 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND death: 27 February 1842 father: Robert Davies mother: Mary Edward Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 27 December 1835 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: Robert Davies mother: Mary Samuel Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 11 July 1841 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND death: 3 March 1842 father: Robert Davies mother: Mary Sarah Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 7 April 1843 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND death: 18 November 1843 father: Robert Davies mother: Mary William Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 19 January 1839 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: Robert Davies mother: Mary James Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 28 December 1851 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: Robert Davies mother: Mary Jane Davies England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 4 March 1854 PONTESBURY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND father: Robert Davies mother: Mary
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Catherine
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23 Jul 2014 14:31 |
In 1871 and 1881 census William gives his place of birth as Pontesbury, Shropshire so have you considered this one:-
1851 England Census about William Davies Name: William Davies Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Davies Mother's name: Mary Davies Gender: Male Where born: Pontesbury, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Pontesbury Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: (of father) BLACKSMITH
Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: Condover ED, institution, or vessel: 2f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 57 Piece: 1990 Folio: 337 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Robert Davies 36 (1815) born: Buckley, Shropshire Mary Davies 32 (1819) born: Pontesbury, Shropshire Thomas Davies 19 John Davies 11 Edward Davies 6 William Davies 10 Samuel Davies 8 Robert Davies 6 Maine Davies 1 Sarrah Davies 69 (1782) born: Pontesbury, Shropshire Mother-in-law
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23 Jul 2014 09:47 |
Thank you all for your replies. How did I miss those entries!! Probably because of the different spellings. But you have given me something else to think about. I have the marriage certificate of William Davies and Agnes Astbury and this states that William's father was Robert Davies who was a blacksmith. The only Robert Davies who was a blacksmith I could find was from Pembroke Dock, so I might have been following the wrong family line!! I will investigate, but I'll be grateful for anyone else's thoughts.
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23 Jul 2014 09:41 |
There is a full Will, as stated on the probate record
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name:George A Davies
Birth Date:abt 1867
Date of Registration:Mar 1940
Age at Death:73
Registration district:Newcastle under Lyme
Inferred County:Staffordshire
Volume:6b
Page:223
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name:George Astbury Davies of 139 West View Villas, Heathcote Rd, Miles Green, Bignall End
Probate Date:12 Apr 1940
Death Date:10 Feb 1940
Death Place:Staffordshire, England
Registry:London, England To Frederick William Bostock, retired colliery Banksman £470
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Catherine
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22 Jul 2014 16:19 |
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1891 England Census about Agnes Bailey Name: Agnes Bailey [Agnes Davis] Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Luke Bailey Gender: Female Where born: Shifnal, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Horton Ecclesiastical parish: Horton Town: Horton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Leek Sub-registration district: Leek ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2186 Folio: 167 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Luke Bailey 31 xxxx Agnes Bailey 42 xxxx John H Bailey 12 xxxx Ada S Bailey 10 Garnett Bailey 7 James A Bailey 2
Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%) xxxxx Bailey Luke Newcastle L. 6b 130 xxxxx Davies Agnes Newcastle L. 6b 130 Howson John Ernest Newcastle L 6b 130 Salt Myra Edwards Newcastle L 6b 130
Same family in 1901:-
1901 England Census about Agnes Bailey Name: Agnes Bailey Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Luke Bailey Birth Place: Shifnal, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Horton Ecclesiastical parish: Biddulph Moor Christchurch Town: Biddulph Moor County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Leek Sub-registration district: Leek ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2625 Folio: 66 Page Number: 17 Household schedule number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Luke Bailey 41 Agnes Bailey 52
and also in
1911 England Census about Agnes Bailey Name: Agnes Bailey Age in 1911: 63 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Shifnal, Shropshire Civil Parish: Horton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Biddulph Moor, Nr Congleton Marital Status: Married Years Married: 25 Estimated Marriage Year: 1886 Registration district: Leek Registration District Number: 362 Sub-registration district: Leek ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 93 Piece: 16649 Household Members: Name Age Luke Bailey 53 Agnes Bailey 63 James Alfred Bailey 22 Harry Davies 8 - Grandson Birth Place: Macclesfield, Cheshire
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Catherine
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22 Jul 2014 16:15 |
Or maybe this one?
1891 England Census about William Davies Name: William Davies Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Madeley, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Audley Ecclesiastical parish: Audley Town: Halmer End County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme Sub-registration district: Audley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2151 Folio: 80 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Corns 30 Agnes Corns 30 George Corns 6 Albert Corns 3 Elizabeth Corns 1 George Johnson 26 William Davies 22
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1901 England Census about William Davies Name: William Davies Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Martha Davies Birth Place: Madeley, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Audley Ecclesiastical parish: Audley St James Town: Halmer End County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme Sub-registration district: Audley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2582 Folio: 102 Page Number: 44 Household schedule number: 233 Household Members: Name Age William Davies 32 Martha Davies 29 Garnet Davies 7 Gwendoline Davies 6 Months
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1911 England Census about William Davies Name: William Davies Age in 1911: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Madeley, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Longton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 17 Lennox Rd, Normacot, Longton, Stoke On Trent Marital Status: Married Occupation: Coal Miner and Hewer Registration district: Stoke upon Trent Registration District Number: 361 Sub-registration district: Longton ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 295 Piece: 16608 Household Members: Name Age William Davies 42 Martha Davies 39 Garnet Davies 17 Gwendoline Davies 10
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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22 Jul 2014 16:07 |
1881 England Census about William Davis Name: William Davis Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Agness Davis Gender: Male Where born: Pontesbury, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Audley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Halmerhend Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme Sub-registration district: Audley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2702 Folio: 90 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age William Davis 39 Agness Davis 33 George A. Davis 15 William R. Davis 13 Emily Davis 8 Mary A. Davis 6 John H. Davis 2 Ada S. Davis aged 1 week
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2702; Folio: 90; Page: 22; GSU roll: 1341647.
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Catherine
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22 Jul 2014 15:50 |
Brother William in 1911?
1911 England Census about William Davies Name: William Davies Age in 1911: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Newcastle, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Newcastle under Lyme County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 6 Waterloo Buildings, Newcastle Under Lyme Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: stone Miner Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme Registration District Number: 359 Sub-registration district: Newcastle under Lyme ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 122 Piece: 16412 Household Members: Name Age Robert Smith 26 Sarah Ann Smith 24 Gladis M Smith 4 George Smith 2
William Davies 42 John Davies 16 Sarah Davies 11 Elsie Davies 8 Nellie Davies 6
(5 children all living)
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22 Jul 2014 15:48 |
Shropshire baptisms Transcription Print individual transcription View image First name(s) Agnes Last name Astbury Birth year - Baptism year 1847 Baptism date 27 Jun 1847 Denomination Anglican Place Priorslee Father's first name(s) George Mother's first name(s) Jane Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Baptism Register date range 1830-1867 Archive reference P224/A/1/2 Page 42 Record set Shropshire baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
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22 Jul 2014 15:46 |
1871 England Census about George A Davies Name: George A Davies Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Davies Mother's name: Angas Davies Gender: Male Where born: Cefn, Derbyshire, England [Denbighshire] Civil Parish: Newcastle under Lyme Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme Sub-registration district: Newcastle under Lyme ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 103 Piece: 2834 Folio: 37 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age William Davies 28 born: Pontesbury, Shropshire, Angas Davies 23 born: Priers Lee, Shifnal, Shropshire George A Davies 5 William R Davies 2 born: Madeley, Staffordshire John Henry Davies 6 Months
Wiliam was born in Staffordshire so the family must have moved between 1866 and 1869.
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22 Jul 2014 15:45 |
Just to try to locate them for us helpers ref
View image 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Church Street, Wombridge, Wellington, Shropshire, England
Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Astbury Head Married Male 45 1816 Ironstone Miner Shifnal, Shropshire Jane Astbury Wife Married Female 44 1817 House Keeper Shifnal, Shropshire Henry Astbury Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Engine Fitter Shifnal, Shropshire Agnes Astbury Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1848 Scholar Shifnal, Shropshire Emily Astbury Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar Shifnal, Shropshire Alfred N Astbury Son Unmarried Male 4 1857 Scholar Shifnal, Shropshire George Astbury Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 At Home Shifnal, Shropshire Hannah Porter Servant Unmarried Female 22 1839 Servant At Beer House Wellington, Shropshire Elizabeth Astbury Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Servant Shifnal, Shropshire James Davies Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 Coal Miner Shifnal, Shropshire Thomas Luter Lodger Unmarried Male 20 1841 Waggoner At Coal Pit Tibberton, Shropshire George Cadman Lodger Unmarried Male 22 1839 Coal Miner Dawley, Shropshire Sarah Astbury Visitor Widow Female 65 1796 - Shifnal, Shropshire
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Catherine
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22 Jul 2014 15:43 |
His marriage certificate should state if his father was deceased at that time, or not. What info does it give?
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Roland
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22 Jul 2014 15:22 |
I was wondering if anybody could help me. My wife's great grandfather, George Astbury Davies was born in Cefn Bychan, Ruabon in 1866. His father was William Davies (b1848) and his mother was Agnes Astbury (b1847). At some time he moved to North Staffordshire where he married Lizzie Viggars Bostock in 1890. I have copies of both his birth and marriage certificates. However I cannot find out anything about him from when he was born until he got married or even anything about his parents after he was born. We have a family story of George and his brother William coming to Staffordshire to work in the mines, but that is all. What I am trying to find out is when George came to Staffordshire and what happened to his parents. Did either of them die when he was still young? was there a remarriage? I can find nothing. I have looked in Staffordshire, Denbighshire, Shropshire, where his mother was born and his parents were married and Pembroke, where his father was born. Has anybody got any suggestions.
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