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Two daughters of Joseph Pringle (son of William Pringle of East Farm) have just died in October 2013 - Betty Bradford Pringle who married Aubrey Stothard, and the youngest Audrey Pringle. The middle daughter Joan (Joey) Pringle married Stanley Porter. The son William (Billy) died in 1954

Thank you all so much for the information - there are obviously a few links here for me to follow up - should keep me out of mischief ! - Sheila

Sorry Alviegal, I completely missed the "East Farm" bit - of course it's him

That may not be him returning to SA but how many families of Pringles lived at East Farm? I think it is a pretty big coincidence if another family of Pringles moved in there and had a W Pringle, born 1885 visiting from SA.

Don't know if this is the correct girl who married William Pringle but thought worth following up:

Births Mar 1895
OLDRIDGE Elizabeth Jane Lanchester 10a 349

ADDED:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Edinborough House Inn, 13, Middle Street, Consett, Lanchester, Durham, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Jane Oldrydge Head Widow Female 59 1842 Land Lady Public House Leadford, Devonshire
James Oldridge Son Single Male 23 1878 Barman Public House Belston, Devonshire Image Transcription
William Oldridge Son Single Male 21 1880 Miner Hewer Belston, Devonshire
Eliza Oldridge Daughter Single Female 19 1882 - Belston, Devonshire
Elizabeth J Oldridge Grand Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Greencroft, Durham Image Transcription
Ellen Thewethy Grand Daughter Single Female 16 1885 - Colstock, Cornwall
Jane Oldridge Jr Daughter-In-Law Married Female 32 1869 - Cleadon Moor, Cumberland
Jane Turner Visitor Single Female 24 1877 Dressmaker Blaydon, Durham

Sheila, from what Alviegal posted on that passenger list she said "his last permanent residence was 'Other Part of the British Empire' ie not the UK." so that fits with a possible return visit but, having said that, there are other William Pringles back and forth between the UK and South Africa so mightn't be him.

It looks as though William jnr's wife remarried a Smith, this is his 1968 death record from NASA:

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 5847/70
PART 1
DESCRIPTION SMITH, HERBERT VICTOR.
STARTING 19680000
ENDING 19680000
REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE VIOLET ROWE. SURVIVING SPOUSE ELIZABETH JANE SMITH (BORN OLDRIDGE, FORMERLY PRINGEL).

I don't know very much about South African records and the NASA website is not the easiest to navigate. It should be possible to order info on the 1928 divorce to see what info it may have. The contact details are probably somewhere in this link

http://www.national.archives.gov.za/aboutnasa.html

Father William was known to spend all the money earned selling produce from the market at the pub on the way home. It got so bad that Mother would go to meet him before he got to the pub and take all the money off him!! Although she died in 1903 - so I guess the drinking carried on after her death as the article in the Morpeth Herald was dated 1905.

The 1911 Census is correct. The passenger list is wrong. I know that he left the UK long before he was 68 years old - unless he came back here for a visit and then returned - that is possible I suppose. He was never a "Watchman" though. Although he helped in the market garden business here it is believed he worked down a mine in S Africa.

As for my connection - the oldest daughter Margaret was my father's mother ie she was my grandma. I never knew her - she died before I was born. In fact my dad was only 11 years old when she died.

I've just looked at the 1911 census and the Pringles were at East Farm, Killingworth - I used to buy eggs there (not in 1911 before anyone makes any cheeky comments).

There's an article in the Morpeth Herald dated 20 May 1905 about the father William Pringle being exceedingly drunk in the Killingworth Arms (know the pub well). The landlord John Welsh was charged with permitting drunkenness on his premises.

1911 for the family.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

East Farm Killingworth Newcastle on Tyne, Longbenton, Northumberland, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Pringle Head Widower Male 60 1851 Market Gardener Northumberland Newcastle
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Margaret Pringle Daughter Single Female 31 1880 Housekeeper Northumberland Newcastle
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Joseph Pringle Son Single Male 29 1882 Assisting Market Gardener Northumberland Newcastle
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William Pringle Son Single Male 26 1885 Assisting Market Gardener Northumberland Newcastle
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Walter Pringle Son Single Male 18 1893 Apprentice Blacksmith Northumberland Newcastle
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John Pringle Son Single Male 16 1895 Apprentice Fitter Northumberland Newcastle
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Stanley Pringle Son - Male 13 1898 School Northumberland Newcastle
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George Pringle Son Single Male 21 1890 Assisting Market Gardener Northumberland Newcastle


Going by the address above, this appears to be him. His last address in the UK was East Farm, Newcastle.
He is on his own. He intended to live in SA and his last permanant residence was 'Other Part of the British Empire' ie not the UK.



Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
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First name(s) W
Last name PRINGLE
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 68
Birth year 1885
Occupation WATCHMAN
Departure year 1953
Departure day 6
Departure month 8
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port CAPE
Destination CAPE
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name STIRLING CASTLE
Ship official number 164570
Ship master's last name TRAYNER
Ship master's title CAPT
Shipping line UNION CASTLE LINE
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA

Sheila, in your opening post you state he was a miner, but now he's a market gardener?

There's more than one William Pringle, and the info I quoted was from a tree on Ancestry and, as I mentioned, it was unsourced so the information is not totally reliable - who's to say that tree owner hasn't got their Pringles mixed up?

If you can give us some background info, such as how you connected to William then hopefully we may be able to find some firm factual information for you.

I do have some information regarding the Pringle family - yes indeed they were market gardeners in Newcastle upon Tyne:

Parents:- William Pringle (1850-1936) and Hannah Armstrong (c1856-1903)

They had 10 children:
Margaret (1879-1929)
George(c1881 - infant death)
Joseph (c1883)
William (c1885) *** This is the William I am trying to find information on
Elizabeth (c1887)
George (c1890)
Walter (c1893)
John (c1895)
Stanley (c1897)
Hannah (c1901 - 1907)

I understand that William may have had 4 children - Walter, John, Stanley and Edna.

From your info it looks as though he married and divorced and you seem to have found the death of two of his children. This is fantastic to hear as I have searched for a long time for info on our William in S Africa. No one in the family is in contact with anyone in S Africa at all, although I am sure that living relatives must be out there somewhere.

Sheila

message sent to poster advising there is info on here for her

South African National Archives records aren't the easiest to follow:

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE WLD
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 453/1928
PART 1
DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE RESTITUTION OF CONJUGAL RIGHTS WILLIAM PRINGLE VERSUS ELIZABETH JANE (BORN OLDRIDGE).
STARTING 19280000
ENDING 19280000

This implies a divorce may have been in the offing in 1928

The William Pringle I mention above had siblings Walter and Stanley (children named for siblings?) but is the one who became a market gardener as AG posted above.

We really do need Sheila to give us more info .....

According to a tree on Ancestry (unsourced) there was a William Pringle b 1885 Newcastle who married a Mrs Elizabeth Jane Oldridge. Had children Stanley, birth date not given, died 1984 Klerksdorp, North West South Africa. Also Walter Pringle born 1922 Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa, died 2004 Adelaide, South Australia.

Let's see if we can unravel this .....

Name: William Pringle
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Age: 16
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Newcastle On Tyne
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-District: Westgate
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Augustine
Civil Parish: Elswick
District/Parish/County: Northumberland

Name: William Pringle
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1884
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Event Place: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Volume: 10B
Page: 54
Line Number: 162

Welcome to the boards, Sheila.

Can you tell us his wife's name, please, and the children's names? It might help us to track him down.

What were his parents' names?
Do you know when he went to South Africa?
Any information may help.

The only William Pringle I can see on Ancestry who was born 1885 in Newcastle, grew up to be a market gardener.
There's one born in 1885, who's a miner, but he was born in Pegswood, Northumberland, and married an American-born woman called Kate in 1907.

The marriage of the Pegswood one might possibly be this one - but without more information I can't say if he's your William or not:
Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
Pringle William Gateshead 10a 1364
USHER Kate Gateshead 10a 1364

William was born in Newcastle upon Tyne in c1885. He was a miner. I know he married and had children - not sure if this was here in UK or in S Africa. Anyone who can solve the puzzle of my missing relative please?