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Marie
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8 Jul 2014 14:05 |
thank you all so much, esp mel fairy godmother - as when reading the marriage cert (which thought I had but didn't) it seems clear that sarah normington was born 1829 and his sister sara (was 10 in workhouse) so born in 1831. such a simple small mistake has battered my head, as I had wrote them down wrong on family tree! just shows how easy it is eh guys. thanks again, i'll now make changes and doesn't really matter what happened to sister sarah, its something don't need to know I suppose thanks again :-D
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Gwyn in Kent
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7 Jul 2014 20:01 |
Sarah b. 1829 is the sister of Matthew ( son of Matthew )
Isaac is the son of the younger Matthew, ... I think.
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Marie
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7 Jul 2014 17:59 |
hope my last message didn't sound 'off' but have to limit time on comp as get headaches, hence I write fast as can and get off line. I really do appreciate having someone to help with all this as I started it few year ago now and altho done loads, this hic up is bugging me still. and thanks again guys ;-)
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Marie
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7 Jul 2014 16:21 |
yeh, knew all that thanks, but the dates on all census show her birth as 1829 (which is his sisters year)(she in workhouse here with them aged 10) the sarah in1851 census is sarah normington born 1831- how come he has sarah (born 1829) with him in workhouse here:
1841 – darlington union workhouse Matthew - cheesebrough 40 pauper co durham 1801 Joseph “ 15 “ ? 1826 Matthew “ 13 “ Bradford 1828 Sarah “ 10 “ “ 1829 Thomas “ 8 “ “ 1833 John “ 5 “ “ 1836
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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7 Jul 2014 14:50 |
My pooter had a fit and turned itself off but I am back now.
So have you know sorted this problem Marie? It seems to me that the enumerator got it wrong and put down Sarah Ann as the dau of Matthew and Dinah where in fact she was Dau in law. You can't go by the years of birth given as a lot of people in those times did'nt know when they were born or celebrated their birthdays.
Sarah Ann Normington married Matthew Cheeseborough in 1849. Her fathers name was Issac Normington.
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Sarah Ann Normington Name: Sarah Ann Normington******************* Birth Year: abt 1829 Age: 20 Marriage or Bann Date: 17 Feb 1849 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name: Isaac Normington********************* Spouse's Name: Matthew Cheesebrough************************* Spouse's Father's Name: Matthew Cheesebrough*****************
You probably already have this.
The 1841 census rounded up peoples ages to the nearest 5 I think so here she is with her father and mother Elizabeth.
1841 England Census about Sarah Normington Name: Sarah Normington Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Hundred: Morley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford West End Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1294 Book: 6 Folio: 32 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Normington 45 Elizabeth Normington 30 Sarah Normington 10************************** John Normington 13 Harriet Normington 5
After the death of Matthew Cheeseborough Sarah Ann then married George Black in 1859.
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Maddie
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7 Jul 2014 10:58 |
looks like 2 marriages
ngland & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Matthew Cheesebrough Name: Matthew Cheesebrough Registration Year: 1846 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Bradford Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 23 Page: 145 Records on Page: Name Elizabeth Brook Matthew Cheeseborough Matthew Cheesebrough Priscilla Greenwood Mary Hall Dinah Hargraves Benjamin Long Thomas Raw William Watson
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Matthew Cheesebrough Name: Matthew Cheesebrough Registration Year: 1849 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Bradford Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 23 Page: 175 Records on Page: Name Matthew Cheesebrough Betty Edson Sarah Garthwaite Mansfield Gibson Hannah Goldsbrough Sarah Ann Normington John Smith Charles Peel Stell
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MargaretM
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7 Jul 2014 10:54 |
Sarah Ann's marriage?
Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Black George Stockton 10a 109 Cheerbrough Sarah Ann Stockton 10a 109 Cheesbrough Sarah Ann Stockton 10a 109
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Marie
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7 Jul 2014 10:52 |
yes margee she was his 2nd wife, his first was called sarah ann can you believe, but seemed to go by ann
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Marie
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7 Jul 2014 10:50 |
he's here as jese for short & up to 1881: 1861 – Henry St Boro H – Sarah Black 32 (mar george black s/ton 1859)“ 1829 S Jese cheesebrough 12 “ 1849 D – Ann “ 9 “ 1853 D – Harriet “ 2 boro 1859 + 2 lodgers born Northampton
1871 – 17 Blake St, Boro H – Sarah Annie cheesebrough 42 (unmar) weaver Bradford 1829 S – Isaac “ 22 moulder “ 1849 D – Ann “ 18 “ 1853 D – Harriet “ 12 Boro 1859 + lodger John Normanton 31 bradford 1840
1881 – 21 Robert St Boro H – Isaac cheesbrough 32 iron moulder Bradford 1849 W – Dorothy “ (green) 26 shildon 1855 S – Matthew Isaac “ 6 Boro 1875 D – Mary Ellen “ 4 “ 1877 D – Sarah Annie “ 10mth “ 1880 + lodger William green (B.I.Law) 19 laborour iron wks Boro 1862
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MargaretM
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7 Jul 2014 10:39 |
A tree on Ancestry says that he's the son of Matthew Cheesbrough & Dinah Hargreaves but I still think Dinah is a second wife. Either that or her first child was born when she was 12.
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Marie
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7 Jul 2014 10:35 |
the ggdad is for my Great Great Grandad. as you can see from previous post his birth cert says his mother is sarah ann cheesbrough (nee Normington) born 1831- but the 1861 and 1871 have him living with the sarah annie from 1829 under the name Black
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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7 Jul 2014 10:31 |
Susan tickles me that Dinah is only two years older than the 1851 census.
I could'nt find them on the 1861 on Ancestry.
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Marie
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7 Jul 2014 10:27 |
yes this is the crew im after. thanks for such quick replies folk, really appreciate help. the problem is this census:
1851* – 109 wood st, manningham, (st Jude parish) Bradford * their marriage was1846 bradford H - Matthew cheesebrough* m1846 50 woolcomber darlington 1801 W – Dinah “ (hargreaves) 40 bacup,Lancashire 1811 S – William “ (ann is mother)28 (mar) “ “ warwickshire 1823 S – Matthew “ 23 (mar) (ann is mother) Bradford 1828 D – Sarah Annie “ 22(ann is mother) power loom weaver Bradford 1829 S – Thomas “ (mother not listed) 18 woolcomber “ 1833 D – Mary “ (mother Dinah) 8 Bacup 1843 D – Elizabeth “ (mother Dinah) 6 “ 1845 S – Michael “ (mother Dinah) 3 “ 1847 S – Isaac “ (mother sarah ann)* 2 ggdad “ 1849 S – James “ (mother Dinah) 1 “ 1850
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Susan
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7 Jul 2014 10:25 |
Cannot see Isacc in 1861 census .
1861 England Census about Michael Cheesbrough Name: Michael Cheesbrough Age: 13 Estimated birth year: 1848 Relation: Son Father's Name: Matthew Cheesbrough Mother's name: Dinah Cheesbrough Gender: Male Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Middlesbrough Town: Middlesbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Yarm ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 144 Piece: 3686 Folio: 50 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Matthew Cheesbrough 60 Dinah Cheesbrough 42 Mary Cheesbrough 18 Elisabeth Cheesbrough 16 Michael Cheesbrough 13 Joseph Cheesbrough 7 Thomas Cheesbrough 2 Robert Spinks 24 George Liss 20 Catharine Fay 2
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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7 Jul 2014 10:13 |
For ref the 1851 census Sarah I at the top of the page and the parents are on the previous page.
Parents are Matthew Cheeseborough and Dinah.
1851 England Census about Thomas Cheeseborough Name: Thomas Cheeseborough Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Son Mother's name: Sarah A Cheeseborough Gender: Male Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Manningham Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Horton ED, institution, or vessel: 2d Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 62 Piece: 2310 Folio: 397 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Sarah A Cheeseborough 22 Thomas Cheeseborough 18 Elizabeth Cheeseborough 6 Mary Cheeseborough 8 Michael Cheeseborough 3 Isaac Cheeseborough 2 James Cheeseborough 1
Previous page Matthew C.....50 born Durham and Dinah 40 born Lancashire. Alos more children on this page a a William 28 born Warwick and Matthew 23 born Bradford.
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MargaretM
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7 Jul 2014 10:12 |
The 1851 census shows that he was the son of Matthew Cheeseborough & Dinah. They hadn't transcribed the previous page with the family. There are 9 children listed the oldest being 28. It looks like Dinah is a second wife, she's only 40. Matthew is 50.
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Susan
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7 Jul 2014 10:07 |
Is this him and what are you trying to find your post is a little confusing.
1871 England Census about Isaac Cheesbrough Name: Isaac Cheesbrough Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Mother's name: Sarah A Cheesbrough Gender: Male Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Middlesborough Town: Middlesborough County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Yarm Civil Parish, Township or Place ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household schedule number: 75 Piece: 4894 Folio: 65 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Sarah A Cheesbrough 42<<<<<Mother Isaac Cheesbrough 22 Ann Cheesbrough 18 Harriet Cheesbrough 12 John Normanton 31 Wm Bousfield 32
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Marie
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7 Jul 2014 09:58 |
I am so confused my head hurts :-( my GG Grandad Isaac Cheesebrough b1849 Bradford married to Dorothy ann b1856 (nee green). ive had info from someone saying his birth cert reads 24th March 1849 Wood street Manningham./ Name= Isaac/ sex= Boy/ Father's Name= Mathew Cheesebrough/Mothers Name= Sarah Ann Cheesebrough formerly Normington b1831which are the details on my tree. but the problem is he has a sister called sarah annie b1829 and the problem is that the 1851 (Bradford) & 1861 (Middlesbrough) census gives the confusion of why he's living with what looks like his sister??????but has down that he's her son???? PLEASE HELP
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