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and just to finish off census records for Herbert:-

1911 England Census about Edward Herbert Soden Lee
Name: Edward Herbert Soden Lee
Age in 1911: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Warwick
Civil Parish: Curdridge
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Kitnocks Cottage, Curdridge Nr Botley, Hants
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: Droxford
Registration District Number: 104
Sub-registration district: Bishops Waltham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 6148
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Herbert Soden Lee 62
Lizzie Lee 50
Beatrice Mary Shaw Lee 24
Lionel Shaw Lee 19
Gladys Maud Chapman King 22
Percy George King 32
Ethel Oxley Brown 25
Millicent Ada Nash 28
Charlotte Jessie Coles 18
Mary Jane Wornekey 30
Emily Carpenter 24

(3 children all living)


and his marriage:-

Warwickshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910 about Edward Herbert Soden Lee
Name: Edward Herbert Soden Lee
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 36
Occupation:- Wollen Buyer
Spouse Name: Lizzie Shaw
Spouse Age: 25
Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Aug 1885
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Warwick, St Mary
Father Name: Maer Frederick Lee
Occupation: Pawnbroker
Spouse Father Name: Charles Bott Shaw
Occupation: Wine Merchant

Herberts's son Lionel died in WW1:-

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Lionel Shaw Lee
Name: Lionel Shaw Lee
Death Date: 25 Sep 1915
Rank: 2 Lieutenant
Regiment: Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry
Battalion: 5th Battalion
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Other Records: Search for 'Lionel Shaw Lee' in other WWI collections


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Lionel Shaw Lee
Name: Lionel Shaw Lee
Probate Date: 6 Jan 1917
Death Date: 25 Sep 1915
Death Place: Hampshire, England
Registry: London, England
Probate to his father Edward Herbert Soden Lee, Gentleman

..........so doesn't look to have ever married and therefore no children?

From census records above it looks as though Herbert only had one brother and looking through his census records he seems to haved lived and died in Warwickshire so no connection to Sussex there.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Frederick Champion Lee
Name: Frederick Champion Lee
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: Warwick
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 394

...........but maybe one of his father's brothers moved to the area, or maybe from his son Lionel?

When was Mary Ann Lee born and who were her parents?

Catherine,your a star,
thankyou so much for this info.
Best wishes,
Glenn.

Hi Catherine,thanks for this info.
I was looking to see if Hebert Lee had any connections with my possible past family members ie Mary Ann Lee etc etc who came from Sussex area.

Possible 1881?

1881 England Census about Edward H.L. Lee
Name: Edward H.L. Lee
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Sophia A. Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 16 Hercules Ter (Warbeck Rd)

Occupation: Woollen Buyer
Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 60
Folio: 80
Page Number: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
Sophia A. Lee 61
Edward H.L. Lee 32
Letitia A. Simpson 29
Mary A. Simpson 6
Jesse Knight 33 ( Wollen Buyer)
Emily Allman 19

*Note in the household there is Jesse Knight so this does look to be correct!



1861 England Census about Edward H Lee
Name: Edward H Lee
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Mark F Lee
Mother's name: Sophia A Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Warwick St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: (of father) Pawnbroker

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 2225
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark F Lee 47
Sophia A Lee 41
Frederic C Lee 14
Edward H Lee 12
Letitia A Lee 9
Sarah Shelswell 27
James Shuttleworth 20
Amos Ortin 16

ADDED:-

1851 England Census about Herbert Lee
Name: Herbert Lee
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Mark F Lee
Mother's name: Sophia A Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Warwick St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: (of father) Clothier

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Kenilworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 2073
Folio: 206
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark F Lee 34
Sophia A Lee 27
Frederick Lee 4
Herbert Lee 2
Sophia Chambus 22
Harner Perks 24
James Hortin 17
William Whitmore 36
Sarah Bates 15

1901 England Census about Edward Herbert Soden Lee
Name: Edward Herbert Soden Lee
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Lizzie Lee
Birth Place: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Curdridge
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Tailor and Outfitters

Registration district: Droxford
Sub-registration district: Bishops Waltham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1088
Folio: 86
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Herbert Soden Lee 52
Lizzie Lee 40
Lionel Shaw Lee 9
Minnie Agusta Cousins 19
Margaret Rose Gregory 19


1891 England Census about Edward H S Lee
Name: Edward H S Lee
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lizzie Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Drapper

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 874
Folio: 131
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward H S Lee 42
Lizzie Lee 30
Beatrice M S Lee 4
Gladys M C Lee 2
Elizabeth A Goslin 19
Elizabeth A Fretwell 18

Is this the company, taken from wikipedia:-

Knight & Lee is a department store in Southsea, Hampshire, England. The store was acquired by the John Lewis Partnership in 1934. The store's origins can be traced back to 1831 with the lace business conducted by William Wink near Portsea Docks. The shop was taken over by Frederick Wink in 1865 to trade as Wink & Co. The business moved to its present Palmerston Road site in 1874 and was bought by Jesse Knight and Herbert Soden Lee, two experienced drapers from London, in 1887. Knight & Lee was made a private company two years later.

What kind of info are you looking for, ancestors, descendants?
What era are we looking at?

Can anyone provide any info on Herbert Lee one of the founders of Knight and Lee in Portsmouth area.I have at present no information regarding his family background but any help you can offer would be much appreciated.
Yours in success,
Glenn :-)