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Donna

Donna Report 29 Jun 2014 20:28

I can not find a birth entry in the registers for Emilie Becker born about 1903 Paddington, London. She appears on the 1911 census with father George Becker and mother Helen Becker nee Williams, but that all i can find. No marriage or death for he. The trail goes cold.
Any ideas where to look next. Beginning to think she is a figment of the imagination.

Thanks
Donna

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 20:52

just for ref:-

1911 England Census about George Albert Becker
Name: George Albert Becker
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 202 Devonshire Street, Globe Road, Mile End E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Occupation: CABINET MAKER
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration District Number: 21
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town North Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 1622
Household Members:
Name Age
George Albert Becker 31
Helen Becker 28
Emilie Becker 8

Gypsy

Gypsy Report 29 Jun 2014 20:53

Are you sure that the parents details are correct?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Jun 2014 20:59

Was the marriage in 1901 ?

It is shown as George Edward Becker and not George Albert Becker as on the 1911 census

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 20:59

If you don't have a birth how do you know her mother's maiden name was Williams?

Have you considered the possibility that Emilie was her middle name?
or that her name was actually spelt Emily?

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 21:06

????

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Emily Becker
Name: Emily Becker
Gender: Female
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1903
Departure Date: 20 Mar 1935
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Birngana
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Birngana' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 144301
Master: Geo Gibbons

EDIT:-

You can eliminate this one as she is married to George Becker aged 34yrs.

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 21:08

There is also this death but no way of knowing if she was married or single?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Emily Becker
Name: Emily Becker
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1902
Date of Registration: Dec 1983
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 11
Page: 1637

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 21:12

Or maybe this one?

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Emilie M Becker
Name: Emilie M Becker
Spouse Surname: Cattermole
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 507
Find Spouse: George H Mco Cattermole

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 29 Jun 2014 21:13

Since George and Helen only had one child in 9 years, perhaps she was adopted, and born with a different name.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Jun 2014 21:22

This appears to be the death of the Emilie M who married Cattermole:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Emilie Marie Cattermole
Birth Date: 24 May 1899
Date of Registration: Dec 1972
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Worthing
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 2156

Their marriage is on Ancestry and her father was Willelm Gerard Becker, a manufacturing chemist so this lady can probably be eliminated.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Jun 2014 21:29

I notice on the image of the 1911 census it is the wife Helen who has completed the return (it's signed H Becker). Could she possibly have got her husband's middle name wrong?

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 21:33

I was thinking that maybe Emilie was Helen's child to another marriage, or her illegitimate child, and the couple lied about how long they had been married on the 1911 census, if indeed they were married?

Mike *

Mike * Report 29 Jun 2014 21:39

George Albert on birth cert


Births Dec 1879
Becker George Albert - Pancras 1b 81


George Edward on marriage cert?

Marriages Dec 1901
Becker George Edward Pancras 1b 307
Markham William Garrod Pancras 1b 307
WILLIAMS Helen Pancras 1b 307
WILLIAMS Kate Ellen Pancras 1b 307

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 21:40

This looks to be George in 1901:-

1901 England Census about George Becker
Name: George Becker
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Charles Becker
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Cabinet Maker

Condition as to marriage: single

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regent's Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 132
Folio: 94
Page Number: 48
Household schedule number: 406
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Becker 72
George Becker 21
Minnie Becker 19


and in 1891:-

1891 England Census about George Becker
Name: George Becker
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Becker
Mother's name: Catherine Becker
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 127
Folio: 183
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Becker 61
Catherine Becker 44
George Becker 10
Minnie Becker 7

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Jun 2014 21:42

Unfortunately none of the earlier census records show his middle name to confirm, or not:-

1881 England Census about George Becker
Name: George Becker
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Charles Becker
Mother: Catherine Becker
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 74 George St
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 198
Folio: 21
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Becker 50
Catherine Becker 34
Augustus Becker 17 - Cabinet Maker
Herman Becker 16
Emily Becker 13
Mathilda Becker 6
George Becker 1

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 29 Jun 2014 21:46

There is no marriage on freebmd for George Albert Becker to anyone

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 29 Jun 2014 21:56

First name(s) GEORGE A
Last name BECKER
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1879
Age 50
Death quarter 3
Death year 1929
District SHOREDITCH
County London
Volume 1C
Page 65
Country England

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Jun 2014 22:43

Hello Donna, if you can tell us how you connected to Emilie Becker in the first place then that might give us a steer as to how to help.

Donna

Donna Report 1 Jul 2014 18:46

My grandmother was the other woman so to speak and met George Albert Becker around 1919/1920. Together they had several children and then George died in 1929. They never married which lead me to believe that George was already married. I checked the census and marriage records and yes the 1911 census is correct. That is him. He was a cabinet maker and the electrol registers have him living at various addresses that are the same addresses that are on his children's birth certs. The marriage to Helen Williams must be him. Thought it would have been very simple to find the birth of his daughter Emilie, but thought wrong.

I checked out Cattermole lead and thats not here either.

Thank you all for your help.