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Walter Biddle c1790 married Ann Collins c1791

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Jun 2014 17:01

Gins - Yep! And now I'm about ready for an afternoon nap ;-)

Gee

Gee Report 19 Jun 2014 16:16

Det, I did notice what time you posted and thought, 'bet she was tired' as it's not like you to miss anything


I have just come across this, but maybe it's a coincidence as Ann would have been pretty old to have re-married. Still, maybe worth a look into




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:Ann Biddle

Spouse Name:John Hodyson <<Upholsterer

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:22 Jul 1864

Parish:Lambeth St Mary <<Address: ??Place

Borough:Lambeth

Father Name:John Collins

Spouse Father:Septimus Hodyson <<Upholsterer

Register Type:Parish Register

Wit: J E Gar? & Edward Powell

Shaeloola

Shaeloola Report 19 Jun 2014 11:30

Wonderful DetEcTive.... will follow up. Lots of leads. Thank you so much :-) :-)

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Jun 2014 10:26

You're into the realms of parish records as his birth is before civil registration. Unfortunately only a very small percentage of parish records are on line. And that's assuming that he was baptised!

Well done in finding the marriage Gins. May be I was too tired last night. It's ashame that neither witnesses carried the couples surnames.

Have you been able to find Walter or Ann on any census? That would tell you were he was born. The 1841 would only say if he was born 'in county' or not, but at least it's a start. Edit....didn't spot the burial as posted by Gins earlier.

You could always join Ancestry with a free trial, but remember to cancel well before the 14 days are up. Even as a free member you can search their records, then ask on here for a subscriber to look up the details for you. You could do the same for Findmypast, GRs sister site.

Have you looked on familysearch for baptisms etc? That's a free site.

Shaeloola

Shaeloola Report 19 Jun 2014 10:09

Heya and thank you Gins. Great info. :-)
Big lols @ your little ditty....and yes! I did sing it....twice in fact, for my partner who has not long moved to Aus from England via Switzerland.
How do I research where Walter Biddle was born, ie to find his parents? It seems I need access to more research sites? It would seem Ancestry is good.
kind regards :-)

Gee

Gee Report 19 Jun 2014 08:13


London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980


Name:Walter Biddle

Record Type:Burial

Estimated Death Date:abt 1834

Burial Date:23 May 1834

Age:42

Estimated birth year:abt 1792

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Lambeth St John the Evangelist <<<Wellington Terrace

Borough:Lambeth

Register Type:Parish Register

Gee

Gee Report 19 Jun 2014 06:31

This seems to be a child of the couple

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name:William Pardoe Biddle

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:21 Apr 1816

Father's Name:
Walter Biddle <<<<<<<<Gentleman

Mother's name:
Ann Biddle

Parish or Poor Law Union:Lambeth St Mary

Borough:Lambeth

Register Type:Parish Registers

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England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973


Name:William Pardoe Biddle

Gender:Male

Age:38

Birth Date:1816

Marriage Date:2 Jul 1854

Marriage Place:St. Peter'S, Stepney, Middlesex, England

Father:
Walter Biddle

Spouse:
Amelia Louisa Atkinson

FHL Film Number:580883

Reference ID:vp93 pet1 16 p188


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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966


Name:William Pardoe Biddle <<Gentleman

Probate Date:15 Aug 1877

Death Date:29 Jul 1877

Death Place:Middlesex, England

Registry:Principal Registry

Probate to: Amelia Louisa Biddle effects under £200

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:Mary Ann Biddle

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:
9 Dec 1821

Father's Name:
Walter Biddle <<Gent

Mother's name:
Ann Biddle

Parish or Poor Law Union:Southwark Christ Church

Borough:Southwark

Register Type:Parish Registers



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:Watter Henry Biddle

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:9 Dec 1821

Father's Name:
Walter Biddle

Mother's name:
Ann Biddle

Parish or Poor Law Union:Southwark Christ Church

Borough:Southwark

Register Type:Parish Registers




London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name:George Biddle

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:1 Apr 1825

Father's Name:
Walter Biddle

Mother's name:
Ann Biddle

Parish or Poor Law Union:Southwark Christ Church

Borough:
Southwark

Register Type:Parish Registers

Gee

Gee Report 19 Jun 2014 06:13

Det, it is at Ancestry


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:Walter Biddle <<Bachelor

Spouse Name:Ann Collins <<Spinster

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:8 Feb 1813 <<Correct on the image

Parish:Southwark St Saviour

Borough:Southwark

Register Type:Parish Register


Wit: Thomas Parr & John Hoggard

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Jun 2014 01:22

Don't worry about it :-)

If you have access to Ancestry, it might be worth looking through all the Wills with the surname of Collins or Biddle to see if either Ann or Walter are mentioned.

Shaeloola

Shaeloola Report 19 Jun 2014 01:18

Thank you for the great info Detective. Sorry it's belated as I thought it was a carry on from MarieCeleste' reply.

Shaeloola

Shaeloola Report 19 Jun 2014 01:11

Yes William Pardoe is my relative. I don't have a clue as yet where the Pardoe comes from.

Shaeloola

Shaeloola Report 19 Jun 2014 01:09

All my relatives have been from London. Surrey Lambeth areas so far

Shaeloola

Shaeloola Report 19 Jun 2014 01:05

Thank you for your informative reply MarieCeleste. I've researched bdm and census records for previous relatives but have come to a total stand still re William and Ann.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Jun 2014 00:58

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Walter Biddle
Name: Walter Biddle
Spouse Name: Ann Collins
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 7 Feb 1813
Parish: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

Both 'of this Parish'. Margin notation -married 8 Feb 1813

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 states that they were bachelor and spinster.

The image of the marriage isn't on-line at Ancestry. Even if it was, the fathers wouldn't be named. You might be lucky to find that witnesses were Collins or Biddle, but that there wouldn't be any reference as to how they were related.

There is a tree on Ancestry which has this couple. One of the grandchildren is named as William Pardoe Biddle
Birth 11 April 1815 in Lambeth, Surrey, England
Death 29 July 1877 in 13, Frederick Place, Mile End Road, Middlesex, England

There is no obvious source to explain where Pardoe came from. It could be from either side (son or daughter-in-law)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Jun 2014 00:45

Hello Shae, where were they from?

Could you let us know what research you've already done?

Shaeloola

Shaeloola Report 19 Jun 2014 00:44

Hi there,
I'm trying to find more info about my gt gt gt g/parents as above. Any help is very much appreciated.
Kind regards
Shae :-)