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Name: Robert L Macdougall
Arrival Date: 25 Jun 1917
Arrival Port: Vancouver, British Columbia, China
Age: 5 years 2 months
Birth Year (Estimated): 1912
Birthplace: Hong Kong,
Birth Country: China
Gender: Male
Race: Scotch
Departure Port: Hong Kong, China
Ship Name: Empress of Asia


Affiliate Publication Title: Manifests of Passengers Arriving in the St. Albans, VT, District through Canadian Pacific and Atlantic Ports, 1895-1954 , Affiliate Publication Number: M1464 , Affiliate Film Number:

It would help to know when Robert died

Also his father:-

Name: Robert E Macdougall
Arrival Date: 25 Jun 1917
Arrival Port: Vancouver, British Columbia, China
Age: 30
Birth Year (Estimated): 1887
Birthplace: Park Renfrewshire,
Birth Country: Scotland
Gender: Male
Race: Scotch
Departure Port: Hong Kong, China
Ship Name: Empress of Asia

and:-

Name: Kitty M Macdougall
Arrival Date: 25 Jun 1917
Arrival Port: Vancouver, British Columbia, China
Age: 34
Birth Year (Estimated): 1883
Birthplace: Glasgow,
Birth Country: Scotland
Gender: Female
Race: Scotch
Departure Port: Hong Kong, China
Ship Name: Empress of Asia

Just for our reference ( from your tree)


Robert Ernest Macdougall
Birth 1879 in Govan, Glasgow
Death 6 April, 1935 in 33 Lilybank Gardens. Glasgow, Scotland


Marriage to Kitty Mcleod Aitken
28 Jun 1911

Age: 32
Partick, Lanarkshiremarriage took place at 32 Queen's Gate, Partick


so you're looking for Kitty M MacDougall after 1935, is that right ?

I wonder if relevant????

Robert Louis Mcdougall
Father
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Dorothy Jean Gilbery
child: Stanley Joseph Mcdougall

Robert Louis Mcdougall
Father
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Dorothy Jean Gilbery
child: Jean Dolores Mc Dougall

Robert Louis Mcdougall
Father
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Dorothy Jean Gilbery
child: Gary Lee Mcdougall

Robert Louis Mcdougall
Father
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Dorothy Jean Gilbery
child: Robert Lee Mcdougall

Robert Louis Mcdougall
Father
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Dorothy Jean Gilbery
child: Merlin Louis Mc Dougall

Robert Louis Mcdougall
Father
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Dorothy Jean Gilbery
child: Dennis Verne Mcdougall


..............of did he return to Scotland with his parents?

Do you have Robert Lewis MacDougall's exact date of birth?

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Kitty M Macdougall
Name: Kitty M Macdougall
Port of Departure: Manila, Philippines
Arrival Date: 14 Apr 1927
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Shanghai
Ship Name: Patroclus
Search Ship Database: View the 'Patroclus' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Alfred Holt and Co
Official Number: 147218

Embarked:- Hong Kong

Address:- 32 Queensgate, Downhill, Glasgow
Travelling on her own.

When you are searching on Scotlandspeople are you selecting forename variants please? Female deaths in Scotland will be indexed under all known surnames. If you search for a death for her it may also be best to select surname variants to include Mc and Macdougall. You can reduce the number of results by entering her birth year +/- one or two years. If she died in Scotland her death certificate will tell you if she had married again. The informant gives all spouses if they one the details.

This i Robert Ernest death info

Death 6 April, 1935 in 33 Lilybank Gardens. Glasgow, Scotland

Robert Lewis birth info is taken from a shipping list and I cannot find any Hong Kong Records to confirm the actual date.

I can't see any sign of Kitty having either remarried or died in Scotland.

And Robert Lewis didn't marry or die in Scotland either, at least not with his middle name on the record..
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Haven't been on Genes for a very long time and you used to be able to post an answer to questions directly below the persons post !! I guess I will figur it out eventually.

My No 1 question is to find a death for Kitty and if she remarried
My No 2 is to find Robert Lewis Macdougall.

there is a 5 hour time difference so excuse me if i don't get right back to you.

Veronica

Have you found a birth for Kitty please? Do you have her on census records?

I see from the marriage that she gives her father as Robert, an accountant. Can't see her on census records so wondering about the accuracy of the information on the marriage.

This looks like her parents

1871

Name: Twin Robert A Aitken
Age: 10mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Aitken
Mother's name: Margaret Mcleod
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, lanarksh
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Andrew
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 54 Charlotte St
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 45
LINE: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_130
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Aitken 32 House Factor
Margaret Mcleod 29
David Thomson Aitken 6
Twin Robert A Aitken 10mo
Twin Annie Aitken 10mo
Flora Mcleod 11 sister in law

All born Glasgow

Here they are in 1881. Looks like father Robert has died



Name: Kate Aitken
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's name: Margaret Aitken
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Kelvin
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 235 Bath St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 45
Household schedule number: 63
LINE: 17
Roll: cssct1881_236
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Aitken 39, Head, occ. Letting Agent
David Aitken 15
Maggie Aitken 13
Kate Aitken 8
Alexander Frame 42
Frederick Meyer 39
Daniel Kennedy 35

So looks like Kate /Kitty was born a little earlier than she admitted to on her marriage. So if your looking for a death on Scotlandspeople, her age may be recorded as her correct age?

Name: Kate Mcleod Aitken
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1872
Birth Place: Calton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Father: Robert Aitken
Mother: Margaret Mcleod
FHL Film Number: 6035516


Looks like Kate knocked 6 years off her age when she married. Remember that when searching for her death.

There is a death in Glasgow City in 1944 for a Kate (forename variants) Aitken other surname MacDougall born in 1872 +/- 1 Year. Sorry I have no credits left to look at it.

EDIT

The district is Hillhead, the same district as Lilybank Gardens. So looks hopeful?

1891

Name: Kate Aitken
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Mother's name: Margt Aitken
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Kelvin
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 235 Bath St
Occupation: Clerk & China Mercht
ED: 46
Household schedule number: 16
LINE: 12
Roll: CSSCT1891_276
Household Members:
Name Age
Margt Aitken 49
David Aitken 25
Mary Aitken 22
Margaret Aitken 23
Kate Aitken 18 Cler & China Merchant
Alex Frame 51


1901

Name: Kate Aitken
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Sister In Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, lanarks
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Kelvin
Civil Parish: Glasgow Park
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 11 W Princes St
ED: 58
Household schedule number: 12
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1901_300
Household Members:
Name Age
James G Gildard 34
Margaret Mcl Gildard 32
Margaret H Mcl Gildard 4
James G G Gildard 2
Robt G T Gildard 10 Mos
Kate Aitken 28
Kate Smith 19


The witnesses at "kitty's" wedding were James and Pearl (pet name for Margaret) Gildard.

If you have Robert Junior's birth date, could this be him?

Name: Robert L MacDougall
Birth Date: 23 May 1912
Phone Number: 794-1372
Address: 1150 W Park Rd, Slippery Rock, PA, 16057-4118
[Slippery Rock Campground, Slippery Rock, PA, 16057]
[207 Union St, Monongahela, PA, 15063-2131 (1993)]
[501 Jackson St, Monongahela, PA, 15063-2125 (1995)]

Thank you so much everyone. Looks like I have some very interesting information to move forward with.

Veronica in Canada

Found Kate )Kitty) and her son Robert Lewis thanks to Rootgatherers help. I am now going to try and find Lewis which appears to be his preferred name in the Military. found a tree on Ancestry with unsourced entries suggesting he was in the Army in 1942.

Veronica