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Hilary Edwards born c1856

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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 20 Jun 2014 22:12

Thank you alviegal,Beverleyw and brummiejan.
Maybe it was only Eliza that was the teacher as everything points to Hilliar as being in the Ironmongery business. Possibly Eliza met Hilliar when she was teaching and through the years as the information has been passed down it has got muddled and ended up with them both being teachers. I see what you mean brummiejan about the need to beware of family stories ;-)

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 18 Jun 2014 22:15

Aha! Eliza was the teacher I think:

1881 Wales Census
Name: Eliza Lewis
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David Lewis
Mother's name: Elizabeth Lewis
Gender: Female
Where born: Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Newtown
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Back Lane
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: School Teacher

Registration district: Newtown
Sub-registration district: Newtown

David Lewis 67
Elizabeth Lewis 61
Edward Lewis 25
Eliza Lewis 20
Hannah Lewis 17

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 18 Jun 2014 22:13

I think you need to beware of family stories!!


1881 England Census
Name: William Edwards
[Hilliar Edwards]
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Susan Edwards
Gender: Male
Where born: Warminster, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Frome
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: 26 Christchurch St
:
Occupation: Ironmongers Asst (Out Of Employment)
Registration district: Frome
Sub-registration district: Frome

John Edwards 49
Susan Edwards 52
William Edwards 22
Henry B. Edwards 20
Emma Edwards 14
Annie B. Edwards 1

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 18 Jun 2014 22:11


1911 England Census
Name: Eliza Edwards
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bishop's Castle Urban
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: 59 Church Street, Bishops Castle
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Stationer and Confectioner
Registration district: Clun
Registration District Number: 343
Sub-registration district: Bishops Castle

Eliza Edwards 50
Hannah Lewis 48

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 18 Jun 2014 22:10

I am wondering about the schoolteacher info too.

In 1881 Hilliar was an ironmonger's assistant, out of employment. No sign of him being a teacher in Frome:

Name: William Edwards
[Hilliar Edwards]
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Susan Edwards
Gender: Male
Where born: Warminster, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Frome
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: 26 Christchurch St
Occupation: Ironmongers Asst (Out Of Employment)
Registration district: Frome
Sub-registration district: Frome
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2401
Folio: 151
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Edwards 49
Susan Edwards 52
William Edwards 22
Henry B. Edwards 20
Emma Edwards 14
Annie B. Edwards 13

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Jun 2014 22:01

Just adding the 1891. When were they teachers I wonder?


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Welch Street, Bishops Castle, Clun, Shropshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Lee Head Single Female 70 1821 House Keeper Shropshire
Image Transcription
Jane Blayney Lodger Single Female 66 1825 Lodger Montgomeryshire
Image Transcription
Helliar Edwards Lodger Single Male 31 1860 Iron Mongers Manager Cheshire (should be Warminster, Wiltshire)


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
41, High Street, Stourport, Lower Mitton, Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hilliar Edwards Head Married Male 41 1860 Ironmonger Shopkeeper Warminster, Wiltshire
Image Transcription
Eliza Edwards Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Newtown, Monmouthshire
Image Transcription
Hannah Lewis Sister-In-Law Single Female 32 1869 Drapers Assistant Newtown, Monmouthshire

EDIT Sorry I see others have also found this.

and 1881. Mistranscribed as William.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Christchurch ST, Frome, Somerset, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Edwards Head Married Male 49 1832 Painter & Glazier Warminster, Wiltshire
Image Transcription
Susan Edwards Wife Married Female 52 1829 - Warminster, Wiltshire
Image Transcription
William Edwards Son Single Male 22 1859 Ironmongers Asst (Out Of Employment) Warminster, Wiltshire
Image Transcription
Henry B Edwards Son Single Male 20 1861 Painter Warminster, Wiltshire
Image Transcription
Emma Edwards Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Warminster, Wiltshire
Image Transcription
Annie B Edwards Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Warminster, Wiltshire

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 18 Jun 2014 13:46

Thank you very much Mel Fairy Godmother.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 18 Jun 2014 10:05

Name: Hilliar Edwards
Probate Date: 19 Dec 1905
Death Date: 2 Dec 1905
Death Place: Somerset, England
Registry: Wells

Hilliar Edwardsof 12 Victoria Road, Frome Somersetshire retired Ironmonger died 2 Dec. 1905 Probate Wells to Eliza Edwardswidow.
Effects £305.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 18 Jun 2014 09:36

Wow,thank you all
Such a lot of information for me to be taking note of. Looks as if some of the info I had from the family was not quite right. Maybe they called him Hilary instead of Hilliar as a family thing. I don't know where he & Eliza were teaching, but it looks quite likely that it was Frome and that is why it was assumed he was from there. As his death is recorded in Frome it seems likely that Eliza moved to the shop in Bishops Castle sometime after his death.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Jun 2014 22:13

Burial (Find My Past)
First Name HILLIAR
Last Name EDWARDS
Year Of Birth 1858
Year Of Death 1905
Burial Day 6
Burial Month 12
Burial Year 1905
Age 47
Place FROME
County Somerset
Church Denomination CEMETERY
Church Description VALLIS ROAD CEMETERY
Country England


(A Dissenters' Cemetery with Chapel at Vallis Road, was founded in 1851 by Frome's 'Free Churches', mainly Baptist, Congregational and Methodist and has been the site of over 6,000 burials)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frome

Chris :)

Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette 10 November 1892

Marriage.
Nov. 2, at the Baptist Chapel, Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Hilliar Edwards of Bishops Castle, Shropshire, eldest son of John Edwards, of Frome, to Eliza, daughter of David Lewis, of Newtown.

Mike *

Mike * Report 17 Jun 2014 22:00

1871

John Edwards 39
Susan Edwards 42
Hilliar Edwards 12 - SON - Warminster, Wiltshire
Henry B Edwards 10
Emma Edwards 4
Annie B Edwards 2
George Boyce 80 - father-in-law


ALL BORN WARMINSTER

Mike *

Mike * Report 17 Jun 2014 21:58

Not born Somerset.

1901

Name:
Hilliar Edwards

Age:41
Estimated birth year:abt 1860

Spouse:Eliza Edwards

Birth Place:Warminster, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish:Lower Mitton

Ecclesiastical parish:Lower Mitton
Town:Stourport
County/Island:Worcestershire

Registration district:
Kidderminster

Sub-registration district:
Lower Mitton



Hilliar Edwards 41
Eliza Edwards 37
Hannah Lewis 32 - Sister-in-law

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 17 Jun 2014 21:48

Name: Hilliar Edwards
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1905
Registration District: Frome
County: Somerset
Event Place: Frome, Somerset, England
Age (available after 1866): 47
Birth Year (Estimated): 1858
Volume: 5C
Page: 284
Line Number: 243

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 17 Jun 2014 21:48

There is no record anywhere for the birth of a Hilary Edwards so I think Jan is right.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 17 Jun 2014 21:40

??

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
Edwards Hilliar Warminster 5a 137

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 17 Jun 2014 21:39

Yvonne, are you sure of his name? Or is this mis-transcribed?

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
Edwards Hilliar Newtown 11b 353
Griffiths Llewelyn Newtown 11b 353
JONES Catherine Newtown 11b 353
Lewis Eliza Newtown 11b 353
Lewis Martha Elizabeth Newtown 11b 353

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 17 Jun 2014 21:28

Hi, i'm trying to find out what happened to Hilary Edwards. As far as I can gather from family he was born in Frome Somerset c 1856. He married Eliza Lewis born Newtown c1859. They were both school teachers. In later years they were the owners of a newsagents/general store in Bishops Castle. Eliza's sister Hannah lived with them. Hannah died in 1929 and Eliza in 1938 and they are buried together in Bishops Castle churchyard. A friend looked in the burial records at the church and can find no record for Hilary. I tried the free bmd records but couldn't find anything. Maybe he went back to Somerset after Eliza's death? Maybe he died before and is buried somewhere else? Perhaps someone reading this has Hilary in their family tree. Any help would be greatly appreciated.