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Wilson/Stephenson north ormesby/cargo fleet

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sarah

sarah Report 13 Jun 2014 00:15

Hi Iam trying to do my family tree Iam trying to find information on frank wilson who lived in norcliffe street around about 1940s he's wife was called Charlotte Wallace. He's mam and dad were called Harry Wilson and Margaret Stephenson the Stephenson family were from Cambridge road cargo fleet the names on the 1911 census were George, Margaret, maggie (Harry wife ) frank who died in ww1 and a Getty Stephenson would be great full if anyone could help please thank you sarah wilson

Mike *

Mike * Report 13 Jun 2014 01:10

Is this Frank & Charlotte's marriage ?


Marriages Sep 1934

Wallace Charlotte A - Wilson- Middlesbro' 9d 1424
Wilson Francis - Wallace- Middlesbro' 9d 1424


if so, the marriage cert would tell you his age which would help
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Mike *

Mike * Report 13 Jun 2014 01:13

I see you have this on your tree so I assume you already have the birth certificate


Name:
Francis Wilson

Birth Date:7 Jan 1915

Date of Registration:Jun 1987
Age at Death:72

Registration district:Weymouth
Inferred County:Dorset

Volume:23
Page:1039


so what information are you asking for ?

Mike *

Mike * Report 13 Jun 2014 01:20

Have you got this certificate for Harry's age and father's name ?


Marriages Jun 1911
Stephenson Maggie - Middlesbro 9d 1156
Wilson Harry - Middlesbro 9d 1156

patchem

patchem Report 13 Jun 2014 06:41

Welcome to the boards, Sarah.

Could you say whether you have got the birth and marriage certificates for the people you are tracing, as Stephenson and Wilson are very common surnames and you do not want to research the wrong people?

Could you explain what sort of other help you are after - have you tried to find that family in 1901, or do you stop at the 1911 census?

What other information about Frank Wilson are you trying to find?

Thank-you

patchem

patchem Report 13 Jun 2014 06:47

Just posting that 1911 census according to Ancestry:

1911 England Census
George Stephenson Age in 1911: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ormesby County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street address: 69 Cambridge Rd Cargo Fleet
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Steel Smelter Steel Milling Furnaces
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535 Sub-registration district: Ormesby
ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 29226
George Stephenson 43
Margaret Stephenson 43
Marggie Stephenson 18
Frank Stephenson 14
Gerty Stephenson 1
Thomas Fairhurst 46 visitor
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 29226.

Married 23 years, 9 children, 5 living.

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 13 Jun 2014 12:27

Sarah

Do you know about freebmd?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

How much research have you been able to do?

The Ancestry version of 1911 (as copied above) is not accurate


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Stephenson Head Married Male 43 1868 Wigan Lancashire Steel Smelter Steel Furnaces Image Transcription
Margaret Stephenson Wife Married Female 43 1868 Wigan Lancashire - Image Transcription
Maggie Stephenson Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Middlesbrough Yorkshire - Image Transcription
Frank Stephenson Son - Male 14 1897 Middlesbrough Yorkshire - Image Transcription
Gerty Stephenson Daughter - Female 12 1899 Middlesbrough Yorkshire School Image Transcription
Thomas Fairhurst Visitor Married Male 46 1865 Rosebridge Lancashire Coal Miner Image Transcription
Print individual transcription View image Individual transcription
First name(s) Gerty
Last name Stephenson
Relationship Daughter
Marital condition -
Gender Female
Age 12
Birth year 1899
Birth place Middlesbrough Yorkshire
Occupation School
Address 69 Cambridge Road Cargo Fleet North Ormesby
Parish Ormesby
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Registration district Middlesbrough
Registration district number 535
Subdistrict Ormesby

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 13 Jun 2014 12:28

Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
Stephenson Gertrude Middlesbro' 9d 535

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 13 Jun 2014 12:31

Could this be her marriage?

Marriages Mar 1917 (>99%)
Kent Thomas Stephenson Middlesbro 9d 822 Scan available - click to view
Lucas Samuel Shackleton Middlesbro 9d 822 Scan available - click to view
Shackleton Helen Lucas Middlesbro 9d 822 Scan available - click to view
Stephenson Gertrude Kent Middlesbro 9d 822 Scan available - click to view


and her death?



First name(s) GERTRUDE
Last name KENT
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 8
Birth year 1899
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1974
District NORTHALLERTON
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 2
Page 2137
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

sarah

sarah Report 13 Jun 2014 13:42

Sorry people Iam new to all this I have got the marriage and death off Francis Wilson and Charlotte Wallace but it's the children of frank and Charlotte there was I Elizabeth a Wilson died age 4 and twins that had died can't find anything in them and on the census when it says children died and survived how can u find out who they are.and ive found Harry and maggie wilsons marriage they had 2 sons both George Wilson1 died age 11 and 1 infancy how can I find there details. Thank you so much for your time and the information you have give is great thank you so much sarah

Mike *

Mike * Report 13 Jun 2014 15:41

Go to freebmd

enter WILSON and WALLACE in the surname boxes , click births.
Using a timeframe from 1934 you'll see quite a few in Middlesbro.
They may not all be your family but you'll have some to research the deaths of.
This is assuming they stayed in Middlebro when having children.
By the way, not seeing any twins

sarah

sarah Report 13 Jun 2014 21:30

Thank you mike I will try that. Ian so great full to every one that has took the time to reply to my message I have a lot to look into now thanks again

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 16 Jun 2014 10:16

As Francis and Charlotte did not marry until 1934, there is no way that you can obtain census info for their children. The last census currently available is that for 1911

You seem to be looking at several generations at once..........better to concentrate on one at a time until you are more familiar with researching.

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 16 Jun 2014 10:19

It is possible that Francis and Charlotte produced as many as eight children.............

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 16 Jun 2014 10:25

On the 1911 census I posted for the Stephensons, it is recorded that four of nine children born in the marriage have died

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 16 Jun 2014 10:29

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Stevenson Head Married Male 32 1869 Iron Works Labourer Ince, Lancashire Image Transcription
Maggie Stevenson Wife Married Female 33 1868 - Ince, Lancashire Image Transcription
Lizzie A Stevenson Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Ince, Lancashire Image Transcription
Mary A Stevenson Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire Image Transcription
Gertrude Stevenson Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire Image Transcription
Francis Stevenson Son - Male 4 1897 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire Image Transcription
Margaret Stevenson Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire Image Transcription

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 16 Jun 2014 11:04

Hope you don't mind, Sarah, but I find that spacing out info makes it easier to assimilate

Sorry people Iam new to all this

I have got the marriage and death off Francis Wilson and Charlotte Wallace but it's the children of frank and Charlotte

there was I Elizabeth a Wilson died age 4 and twins that had died
can't find anything in them

and on the census when it says children died and survived how can u find out who they are.

and ive found Harry and maggie wilsons marriage

they had 2 sons both George Wilson1 died age 11 and 1 infancy how can I find there details.

Thank you so much for your time and the information you have give is great thank you so much sarah

Sarah............

Can I also add a plea that you include dates and place names when you ask for help, or post data.

Ricochet

Ricochet Report 16 Jun 2014 11:07

I would suggest (but you need to verify) that these were the children of Harry and Maggie

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
WILSON George Stephenson Middlesbro 9d 1000

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
Wilson George 0 Middlesbro 9d 648

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Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
WILSON George Stephenson Middlesbro 9d 988
Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Wilson Alice M Stephenson Middlesbro 9d 1138
Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Wilson Francis Stephenson Middlesbro 9d 1004

there are further births.......but also other marriages for the two surnames

With names as common as these, you need to get certs to backup any possibilities