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10 Jun 2014 17:06 |
Hello, this is a bit of a long shot, but here goes! I am trying to find any infomation on my nan's father? I only have what is written on my nan's birth cert.
My Nan was born in 1920 in Fulham, her Mother was Janet Ellen Nicholls & is named as Janet Kane on my nan's birth cert, Father is named as ERNEST KANE, Janet & Ernest were never married. ERNEST KANE occ is marked down as Engineers Turner? Ex Army living at Sulgrave Road Hammersmith. My Nan has a different address on when & where born, it states she was born at Fulham Palace Road. A year later Janet Nicholls marries Wilfred Warren in 1921 Eastborne, address on married cert states Sulgrave Road Hammersmith.
Can anyone help find more on ERNEST KANE Thanyou in advance
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 17:19 |
????? Very long shot;
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Ernest Kane Name: Ernest Kane Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902 Age at enlistment: 18 Birth Parish: Islington Birth County: Middlesex Document Year: 1920 Regimental Number: 42137 Regiment Name: Rifle Brigade Number of Images: 24
Occupation: labourer. Answer to question "Are you married" - Yes, scored out, replaced by "No". It doesn't give a home address, unfortunately.
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 17:22 |
If that's him above:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ernest Kane Name: Ernest Kane Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1901 Registration district: Islington Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 292
911 England Census about Ernest Kane Name: Ernest Kane Age in 1911: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 121 Copenhagen St, Caledonian Rd, Kings X Occupation: SCHOOL Registration district: Islington Registration District Number: 10 Sub-registration district: Barnsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Piece: 898 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Kane 46 Annie Kane 38 Charles Kane 16 William Kane 14 George Kane 12 Ernest Kane 9 Patrick Kane 8 James Kane 6 Thomas Kane 3
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 17:28 |
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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Ernest Kane Name: Ernest Kane Birth Date: abt 1901 Date of Registration: Dec 1963 Age at Death: 62 Registration district: St Pancras Inferred County: London Volume: 5d Page: 452
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MarieCeleste
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10 Jun 2014 17:28 |
That 1911 census matches the address for the father on the army service records.
The only problem with the service record is that he said "yes" to just about everything - that he'd previously served in the forces, that he'd been an apprentice, that he'd been in prison as well as having been married. They've all been changed to "no", so perhaps he was just confused.
He was a labourer so doesn't match the occupation on birth certificate (unless it had been "enhanced").
Added - his permanent address on discharge in 1920 was the same as the 1911 (Copenhagen Street). He was at that address until the 1930s per electoral rolls.
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 17:42 |
He's at various addresses in Islington on ERs:
with Patrick Kane in 1924. with Thomas and William Henry Kane in 1929 with William Henry and Walter William Kane in 1933 with William Henry Kane in 1934 With Gladys Kane. in 1951 & 1957, Gladys E in 1958
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 17:43 |
Marriages Mar 1950 (>99%) Allen Gladys E Kane Islington 5c 2089 Davis Gladys E Kane Islington 5c 2089 Kane Ernest David Islington 5c 2089 Kane Ernest Allen Islington 5c 2089
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jun 2014 17:54 |
Perhaps we've got the wrong man??
If he was "ex-army" on the 1920 birth cert, he couldn't have just been enlisting in 1920 - unless lying on the birth cert, as well as "enhancing" his occupation as MarieCeleste suggests.
But on the other hand, I can't see any other likely Ernest Kane on the censuses, assuming London-based.
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MarieCeleste
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10 Jun 2014 18:13 |
Agree ArgyllGran - it's a bit of a dilemma.
He could possibly have been enlisting to get away from an awkward situation. Didn't work though as he was discharged as unfit due to appendix scar, knock knees and flat feet. Poor bairn.
If Jacks can give us some indication of when Janet Ellen Nicholls was born it might help. Although having said that there will often be age differences in relationships.
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jacks
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10 Jun 2014 18:17 |
Its def food for thought! I have had a look at those Army records, perhaps it could be the wrong man as you suggest, not really sure meself!
If it helps I will give you some more info on Janet Nicolls, she was born in 1896 in Stapenhill, Staffordshire she was in Yorkshire in 1911 with her parents, but def travelled to London by 1920. Thanks for you help so far! :-)
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MarieCeleste
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10 Jun 2014 18:17 |
Interesting
England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976 Name: Janet Warren Father's Name: Nicholls Spouse's Name: Wilfred Henry Warren Publication Date: 6 Jul 1952
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/7161970 (link to article image)
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jacks
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10 Jun 2014 18:31 |
yes bit of a long story MarieCeleste have got all that info, Janet married Wilfred in 1921 Eastborne, she gives her address living in Eastborne which turns out to be Wilfred's parents address, Wilfred has the same address as ERNEST KANE on my nan's birth cert, Janet & Wilfred stay in the London area for about 13years, then my Nan marries & has her first child in Dartford Kent in 1936, states on my Nan's Marriaged cert that her father is WILFRED Deceased! Wilfred died in 1951, Janet by then is back up in Staffordshire & remarries again in 1956.
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jacks
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10 Jun 2014 19:03 |
Thankyou for having a look ArgyllGran :-)
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