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Peter
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12 Jun 2014 13:47 |
This is fascinating - I didn't know that Scottish records were so precarious, but thank links certainly paints an appropriate context. Thank you for sharing.
That explains why I am missing certain relatives in the early 1800s.
Thank you.
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GlasgowLass
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11 Jun 2014 23:10 |
http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/research/list-of-oprs.html
Peter, Above is the link to all surviving OPR inScotland Although most show baptism date ranges, (EG 1820-1854) many contain missing, inbetween years.
The OPR is a collated list of baptism and marriages from all around a parish, and entries are not always in chronological order.
If a particular minister ( or clerk) omitted to forward his list to the Church Session, it would not be entered in the OPR.
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Peter
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11 Jun 2014 22:07 |
Thanks you Mrs. Rootie!
Always great to hear the stories of other members. Thank you!
Peter
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11 Jun 2014 08:29 |
Peter, not everyone had their children christened.
Not all parish records have survived and I am not sure if there is an online list of those that have. Of those that have survived the detail on them varies from parish to parish. For example some recorded the names of the fathers of a bride and groom while others don't. Similarly for christenings some record the names of both parents while others only record the father.
Regarding the Poor Relief records, these can be very useful if you have Irish ancestors. Using those records I managed to find the names of my Irish born Grandmother's Irish grandparents including her Irish grandmother's maiden surname. I have even seen photographs and birth certificates attached to PR records. Alas though not pertaining to my family.
Good luck with your research.
Mrs. Rootie
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Peter
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10 Jun 2014 18:11 |
Thank you Glasgow Lass - a relative of mine died in Coatbridge in a bolier explosion in 1860 so could be worth looking into his widow making an application for PR!
Also, I did look on familysearch for the TENNANTS but nothing to link the TWO families (between those of New Monkland and those of Carlisle). There was actually no evidence of their existence at all on familysearch as far as I could see. Although, probability suggests there is a connection.
On that note, I do have ANOTHER branch of Scottish ancestors, born between c. 1810-1828, and I can't find any baptisms on the ScottishPeoples site. Any idea why? Was it common for parish registers to go missing/be destroyed?
Thanks in advance,
Peter
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9 Jun 2014 22:44 |
Sadly, poor relief did not start until 1845 which means William's widow would not have applied for PR in Scotland. Edit
If an application for relief has survived from almost anywhere in Lanarkshire, it will be held at the archives in the Mitchell Library and often provide a wealth of information.
Also note: At the archives, you are free to search the computerized indexes for any applications. Once found, you then request the files which are then brought down from the archives for you to look at and take notes. The info contained, is not always in chronological order and therefore it takes time to glean a full picture from the records A photocopying service is available but you need to order it page by page for a later collection. I have made numerous photocopy orders, paid in advance and called back at a later date to collect. On many occasions, there were pages were missing!
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Peter
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9 Jun 2014 18:08 |
Thank you for this - yeah, I have had a good old look through Scotland's People and visited the library in Edinburgh a few weeks ago. Yeah, you found the family in the 1841 and as William is described as a weaver/cotton spinner on his burial and on his wife's death in 1869 (it seems that neither of his children married), I felt comfortable that the burial in Glasgow in 1837 was him. BUT I didn't know you could check the lair for other family members. How would I go about that?
Also, I had no idea of the Glasgow Poor relief fund - I should look into that. What area did that cover? For other families unrelated to this post, would that cover Coatbridge?
Thank you also for the Tennant connection through Jane, born c. 1761 ... would it be fair to assume then that Jane was an AUNT of the William born 1789 in New Monkland?!
There are also MANY Tennants in Barony but obviously none that fitted the age at death of the burial.
Thank you for this - so much to think about.
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rootgatherer
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9 Jun 2014 12:41 |
Looks like the William posted above was the second William born to those parents?
Name: William Tennant Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Oct 1784 Birth Place: , New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Baptism Place: , New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Father: John Tennant Mother: Bethia Steel FHL Film Number: 102959 Reference ID: 2:15MDZVC
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BeverleyW
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9 Jun 2014 12:04 |
Very likely, GlasgowLass, looking at the name Bethea Tennant and the name of the mother of William b. Sept 1789.
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9 Jun 2014 09:43 |
From the baptismal info on the children of William Tennant and Mary Poole in Glasgow, I presume that this his the family at 1841
1841 England Census about Mary Tennant Name: Mary Tennant Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795 Gender: Female Where born: Cumberland, England Civil Parish: St Cuthbert Hundred: Cumberland County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: St Cuthbert Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 175 Book: 9 Folio: 10 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Mary Tennant 46 widow b Cumberland Henry Tennant 14 b Scotland Isabella Tennent 12 b Scotland Sarah Stewart 60 Henry Stewart 21
It's also possible this was a 2nd marriage for William Tennant. If he was 50yrs old at time of death, it would mean that he was around 40 years old when he married Mary Poole in 1826 Edit Have you seen this? Could there be a connection?
1841 England Census about Jane Tennant Name: Jane Tennant Age: 80 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1761 Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: St Cuthbert Hundred: Cumberland County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: St Cuthbert Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 175 **** ( same piece No as above) Book: 2 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Jane Tennant 80 b Scotland Betty Tennant 46 daughter, B Scotland Mary Tennant 36 daughter B Cumberland
Then at 1851, still Carlisle Jane Tennant 90 b Scotland Bethea Tennant 59 Daughter b Scotland Mary Tennant 47 Daughter b Carlisle
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9 Jun 2014 08:22 |
Your ancestor may not have been christened or just not christened in the Church of Scotland. Most of the OPRs available are for the established Church of Scotland. As you know when he died, you have presumably found a burial for him. Have you tried to establish who is buried in the same lair just in the off chance that it was a family lair and perhaps one or both of his parents are in the lair?
You could also look on The National Archives of Scotland website to see if records for any of the Churches in the area have survived.
If his wife survived him by a few years, it may be worth checking out the Glasgow Poor Relief records at the Mitchell Library. If she claimed relief it is possible that the records may give details of William's birth parish and name his parents.
Finally, I should say that you have done well so far as in Scotland it is quite difficult to research back to the 1700s with any certainty. Well done and good luck with your research.
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BeverleyW
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9 Jun 2014 07:35 |
Did he have children? If so, what are their names? The oldest son would probably be named after William's father.
there is this one:
Name: William Tennant Gender: Male Christening Date: Christening Place: , NEW MONKLAND, LANARK, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 13 Sep 1789 Birthplace: , New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Father's Name: John Tennant Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Bathia Steel
but no way of knowing if it is the right man.
ScotlandsPeople has two baptisms for a William Tennant between 1785 and 1790 in Lanarkshire (it is a pay-per-view site needing credits).
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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9 Jun 2014 07:34 |
Try Scotlands People they have parish records as well as the later BMD,s
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Peter
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8 Jun 2014 23:45 |
Hi there,
I am looking for a baptism of my ancestor who died on 4 Aug 1837 in Bridgeton, Glasgow aged 50 (so born c. 1787).
He had married Mary Pool in 1826 in Glasgow.
Could someone help me find a baptism for him?
I have looked on familysearch but nothing is jumping out to me.
Best wishes,
Peter
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