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7 Jun 2014 21:49 |
Message from Teresa:
"thank you so much for the information I appreciate your help . I think Ive a bit of sorting out to do !!"
I've suggested it is better to post on the thread rather than by PM - so everyone can see and give more help if necessary.
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7 Jun 2014 19:23 |
Looks like the two marriages are definitely for the same chap, with father John/Johann being a deceased farmer.
Was daughter Maria named after the first wife?
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7 Jun 2014 19:22 |
When Thomas was enrolled at school his previous school was Norman's school, Glasgow - so I wonder they had more children born in Scotland?? Their address when he enrolled was 140 Westminster Bridge Road: ADDED - this was the address on 1891 census
Thomas Worsdorfer Age:10 Birth Date:14 Jul 1880 School:St John And All Saints School Borough:Lambeth Admission Date:1 Jun 1891 Parent:Peter Notes:Comber Grove School (0385) opened in 1877. Originally named Leipsic Road School until 1921, then renamed Comber Grove School. Closed or reorganised in 195- Reference Number:LCC/EO/DIV08/STJOHI/AD/006
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7 Jun 2014 19:16 |
Just to say that the 1882 marriage image states Emma Pike's father to be Thomas Pike, a deceased engineer.
Emma Calloway/Callaway Pyke's father was Charles, a retired customs clerk according to census 1901.
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7 Jun 2014 19:07 |
Devon Marriage Registers 1537-2002 (Find My Past) First name(s) Peter (Bachelor. Tailor) Last name Worsdorfer Birth year 1851 Age 28 Marriage year 1879 Marriage date 11 Nov 1879 Marriage place Buckfastleigh, Holy Trinity Residence Westminster St James Spouse's first name Maria Spouse's last name Easterbrook Spouse age 30 Spouse's residence Buckfastleigh Father's first name John (Farmer) Father's last name Worsdorfer Spouse's father's first name Nicholas (Labourer) Spouse's father's last name Easterbrook County Devon Country England Archive reference 3639A/PR/1/10 Record set Devon Marriages
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Burial Register summary last name WORSDORFER first names MARIA Burial date 16 May 1882 Authority Brompton Cemetery Location Brompton Cemetery (Kensington and Chelsea)
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
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7 Jun 2014 19:03 |
Wife was Emma Mary.....
EDIT BUT NO SIGN OF NAME MARY ON THE IMAGE ITSELF
First Name EMMA MARY Last Name PIKE Year Of Marriage 1882 Month Of Marriage Aug Day Of Marriage 20 Place ST JAMES, PICCADILLY Parish St James The Less, Thorndike Street Spouse Forename JOHANNA PETER Spouse Surname WORSDORFER Bride Age Full Bride Parish - Groom Age Full Groom Parish - County Middlesex Record set Westminster Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain Westminster Archives
Groom was Johanna Peter, widower, of full age, a tailor, son of Johann Worsdorfer, farmer, decd.
Emma Pike was a spinster of full age, daur of Thomas Pike engineer decd.
Both bride and groom gave address of 21 Brewer St.
One witness was an Elizabeth Pike. I think there are two others, Heinrich Illegible and can't read the other one either.
EDIT: Seems to have been over written as Heinrich William Thilo (or Philo) Bradlaugh (surname might be misread), so just the two witnesses after all.
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7 Jun 2014 19:00 |
Just plain Emma Pike on the marriage
Marriages Sep 1882 BROWN Mary Westminster Pennycook Charles Westminster Pike Emma Westminster<<<<<<<<<<< Worsdorfer Johann Peter Westminster<<<<<<<<<<
Not finding them on the 1901 census either, or Maria, supposedly born c1885, in the 1891 census.
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7 Jun 2014 18:50 |
i can't spot them in 1901, anyone have any more luck?
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7 Jun 2014 18:48 |
I agree with Maureen, Emma Calloway/Callaway Pyke seems to have died a spinster:
Census 1911:
Name: Emma Callaway Pyke Age in 1911: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Hackney, London, England Civil Parish: Wimbledon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 12 Springfield Road, Wimbledon S W Marital Status: Single Registration district: Kingston Registration District Number: 40 Sub-registration district: Wimbledon ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 253 Piece: 3470 Household Members: Name Age Charles Pyke 83 Emma Callaway Pyke 45 Alice Eva Towills 23
Birth & Baptism:
Name: Emma Calloway Pyke Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1861 Registration district: Hackney Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 331
Name: Emma Callaway Pyke Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1861 Father's Name: Charles Pyke Mother's name: Emma Pyke Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St Peter Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Registers
Probate:
Name: Emma Callaway Pyke Probate Date: 15 Mar 1929 Death Date: 11 Nov 1928 Death Place: Surrey, England Registry: Winchester
Described as spinster
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7 Jun 2014 18:18 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Maria Worrdorfer [Maria Worsdorfer] Estimated birth year: abt 1885 Age: 22 Spouse Name: Albert Ernest Miller Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 30 Dec 1907 Parish: St Paul, Dock Street Borough: Tower Hamlets Spouse Father: Ernest Miller Register Type: Parish Register
Father is recorded as John Peter Worsdorfer, tailor, deceased.
Looks like Maria was a witness at her sister Ellen's wedding in 1904.
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7 Jun 2014 18:15 |
He's a tailor on marriage of son Edwin:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Edwin Worsdorfer Name: Edwin Worsdorfer Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Age: 24 Spouse Name: Frances Harriet Griggs Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 26 Nov 1916 Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist Borough: Lambeth Father Name: John Peter Worsdorfer Spouse Father: William Griggs Register Type: Parish Register
EDIT. Edwin was a soldier at time of marriage:
Medal Card:
Name: Edwin Worsdorfer Regiment or Corps: Middlesex Regiment Regimental Number: G/36859
Victory Medal and British War Medal
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7 Jun 2014 17:35 |
1861 MATTHIAS WIRSDORF HEAD MARRIED Male 39 1822 TAILOR GERMANY MARTHA WIRSDORF WIFE MARRIED Female 28 1833 - WILTSHIRE ELIZA WIRSDORF DAUGHTER - Female 6 1855 - LONDON, MIDDLESEX Street POLAND STREET Parish ST JAMES WESTMINSTER City or borough WESTMINSTER County London, Middlesex Country ENGLAND Parliamentary borough WESTMINSTER Ecclesiastical district ST LUKE Registration district ST JAMES WESTMINSTER Enumeration district 7 Piece number 61 Page number 18 Folio number 55
England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869 (Ancestry)
Name: Mattheus Wersdorf Port of Arrival: London, England Arrival Date: 15 May 1851 Country of Origin/Native of: Nassau
(probably no relation!, noticed same area and occ.)
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Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newman Martha Foot? Holborn 1b 620 NEWMAN Martha Foot Holborn 1b 620 WIRSDORF Matthias Holborn 1b 620 WUSDORF Matthias Holborn 1b 620
(from above image, on Ancestry, his Father John, occ. Farmer)
edits (looking at 1882 Marriage image (Find My Past) Father of Johann as, Johann Worsdorfer Farmer decd.)
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7 Jun 2014 17:35 |
Just as an aside- I really doubt that his wife was Emma Cal*way PYKE!
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7 Jun 2014 17:29 |
Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%) Easterbrook Maria Totnes 5b 323
Worsdorfer Peter Totnes 5b 323
Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)
Worstorfer Maria 33 Westminster 1a 330
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7 Jun 2014 17:10 |
Strange, when Ellen was christened her father was recorded as Johann Peter, but when she married 26/12/1904 she named his as Peter, deceased tailor - but the death appears to be 1906??
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7 Jun 2014 17:06 |
Name: Peter Worsdosper Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Marie Worsdosper Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil Parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 28 Gt Windmill St Marital Status: Married Occupation: Tailor Registration district: Westminster Sub-registration district: Berwick Street ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 127 Folio: 49 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Peter Worsdosper 30 Marie Worsdosper 31 Thomas Worsdosper
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7 Jun 2014 17:00 |
Could he have been married previously, in 1881 Peter, a Tailor (as 1891) is with Maria (born Devon) and son Thomas (5 or 7 months) at 28 Great Windmill st.
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7 Jun 2014 16:52 |
They had 3 children according to the 1891 census:
Peter Warsdorfer [Peter Worsdorfer] Age:39 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1852 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Emma Warsdorfer Gender:Male Where born:Koblenz, GermanyGermany] [Germany] Civil Parish:Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish:St Thomas Town:Lambeth County/Island:London Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district:Lambeth Sub-registration district:Waterloo Road Second ED, institution, or vessel:5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:390 Folio:26 Page Number:50 Household Members: NameAge Peter Warsdorfer 39 Emma Warsdorfer 30 Thomas Warsdorfer 10 Ellen Warsdorfer 6 Edwin Warsdorfer 7
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7 Jun 2014 16:41 |
have been trying to find him before his marriage to Emma Calloway Pyke in August 1882 in London .They had a daughter Ellen Worsdorfer born Nov.1884 in West Croydon Surrey England. Johanne died in London October 1906 and Emma died Nov.1928 Surrey England . I,ve been unsuccessful in finding when he came to England and anything of his family .
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