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5 Jun 2014 13:16 |
Yes..caleb died at ten months. So elizabeth had at least two if not four children with edward.
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5 Jun 2014 13:13 |
Hi dea Well done for spotting caleb. Sarah Ellen definitely died. Maybe caleb did too..but they will definitely be Edwards..caleb was one of his brothers names. Yes..seems . Like edward had his problems..thanks everyone.
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5 Jun 2014 13:11 |
These look like the burials of the two other children:
Burial: 29 Jul 1876 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Ellen Marland - Age: 1yr 4mnths Abode: Cork Alley Grave: 15991 Notes: Buried in a Public Grave Gender: F Register: Burials 1873 - 1879, Page 131, Entry 16303 Source: Original Registers Book 3
Burial: 13 Mar 1873 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England Caleb Marland - Age: 10mnths Abode: Pickup St Grave: 2007 Notes: Buried in a Public Grave Gender: M Register: Burials 1866 - 1873, Page 231, Entry 12456 Source: Original Registers Book 2
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5 Jun 2014 13:04 |
OOhh - and another child in 1872:
MARLAND Caleb Burnley Preston WILKINSON BU/94/55
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5 Jun 2014 13:01 |
Well, it looks like that death was the correct one then - well found Astra for the 1911 !
You have all been busy on this while I have been out :-)
I had found another possible child for Edward and Elizabeth but I don't know what happened to her?
Baptism: 6 Jun 1875 St Paul, Burnley, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Ellen Marland - [Child] of Edward Marland & Elizabeth Abode: Fletcher Street Occupation: Brick Maker Baptised by: R Nicholson Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1880, Page 134, Entry 1072 Source: LDS Film 1517689
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P.S. - from what MC has posted, it look like Elizabeth was better off without him !
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5 Jun 2014 12:50 |
Thanks astra :-)
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5 Jun 2014 12:40 |
There was also another daughter with her in the workhouse in 1891. Sarah Ellen. Her birth was registered in the December quarter of 1890 and her death was registered in the June quarter of 1891.
Births Dec 1890 (>99%) Marland Sarah Ellen Burnley 8e 211
Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%) Marland Sarah Ellen 0 Burnley 8e 203
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5 Jun 2014 12:33 |
Hi astra Well it seems she now considers herself married to maybe John Smith? I wonder then if James was actually John Smith's child
Despite the baptism record to the contrary. Would be interesting to see what was actually on the birth certificate..perhaps she didn't find out about Sarah until after James was born..who knows... Thankyou for that information from the census..seems atleastvthat it is the correct elizabeth and correct death in 1912. It's a shame it's a public grave .
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5 Jun 2014 12:19 |
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Name: Elezbeth Marlin Age in 1911: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Burnley County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Stephenson Sq Marital Status: Married Occupation: House Kepher Registration district: Burnley Registration District Number: 472 Sub-registration district: West Ward ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 24846 Household Members: Name Age John Smith 58 Elezbeth Marlin 57 James Marlin 19
and the original marriage
Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
Malin Edward Burnley 8e 304 Wilkinson Elizabeth Burnley 8e 304
Elizabeth notes herself as widow in 1901 and married in 1911. Also on 1911 married 22 years 1 child born and 1 living.
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5 Jun 2014 11:53 |
Thanks Marie Celeste..maybe elizabeth was glad he had found someone else if this is how he was. Thankyou. Yes...would like to delete the duplicate posts..Will see if I can manage it.
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5 Jun 2014 10:38 |
Shirley, don't know if these are your Edward Marland but thought I'd post them just in case. From newspaper archives:
Burnley Gazette 21 November 1874 Edward Marland was charged with brutally assaulting his wife. The presiding magistrate sent him to gaol for two months with hard labour. (No address or wife's name)
Burnley Express 04 June 1881 Edward Marland, labourer of Nelson, on the evidence P.C. Thornton, was fined 5s. and costs, for having been drunk on the 22nd ult. (Several more like this)
You could, if you wished, delete your duplicate posts.
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5 Jun 2014 10:08 |
Just looking again...I suppose, even though James was baptised as Edwards child..there is no proof edward is the father unless I see the birth certificate..if she was living with this John Smith he may have been her partner. I am assuming edward was the one in the wrong..but I suppose he and Elizabeth May have been happy with the situation. And maybe even Sarah was aware of the situation...if it is correct that edward was married to both women. It definitely needs more work and proofs. Thanks for all your help
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5 Jun 2014 09:59 |
Hi dea Alice and Elizabeth are together in the work house on one of the census. I don't think the Preston one will be my elizabeth. It's not near burnley at all really. They only moved the registers there recently...I think he was definitely with two women at the same time. He wasn't telling the truth about being a widow at his marriage. In fact he went on to have James in 1892 with elizabeth after his marriage to Sarah. I am going to try track down how it can be proved he was living two lives. Maybe elizabeth knew what he was doing and accepted it? The Stephenson square one is the right area..think I will need to get her death certificate to see who the informant was. Thanks for all your hard work...I'm going to print it all off and double check because maybe I have missed something somewhere. Thankyou
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5 Jun 2014 09:59 |
Hi dea Alice and Elizabeth are together in the work house on one of the census. I don't think the Preston one will be my elizabeth. It's not near burnley at all really. They only moved the registers there recently...I think he was definitely with two women at the same time. He wasn't telling the truth about being a widow at his marriage. In fact he went on to have James in 1892 with elizabeth after his marriage to Sarah. I am going to try track down how it can be proved he was living two lives. Maybe elizabeth knew what he was doing and accepted it? The Stephenson square one is the right area..think I will need to get her death certificate to see who the informant was. Thanks for all your hard work...I'm going to print it all off and double check because maybe I have missed something somewhere. Thankyou
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5 Jun 2014 09:46 |
There were at least two births for Marland/Wilkinson:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1889 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference MARLAND Alice Burnley Preston WILKINSON BU/184/65
Births 1892: MARLAND James Burnley Preston WILKINSON BU/206/34
This appears to be the family on 1901 but no Edward:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place ELIZA MARLAND HEAD WIDOW Female 46 1855 - BURNLEY, LANCASHIRE ALICE MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 12 1889 - BURNLEY, LANCASHIRE JAMES MARLAND SON - Male 7 1894 - BURNLEY, LANCASHIRE JOHN SMITH BOARDER SINGLE Male 45 1856 GENERAL CARTER BLACKBURN, LANCASHIRE Print individual transcription View image Individual transcription First name(s) JAMES Last name MARLAND Relationship to head SON Marital condition - Gender Male Age 7 Birth year 1894 Occupation - Birth town BURNLEY Birth county LANCASHIRE Birth place - House number 26 House name - Street BARRACKS ROAD Parish BURNLEY Town - County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Municipal ward GANNOW Parliamentary borough BURNLEY Registration district BURNLEY Series RG13 Piece number 3872 Folio number 172 Page 12 Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Record collection Census Collections from Great Britain
'That' Eliza is down as a widow??
This looks like little Alice in 1891 but I can't find Eliza at the moment:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print individual transcription View image Individual transcription First name(s) ALICE Last name MARLAND Relationship INMATE Marital condition - Gender Female Age 2 Birth year 1889 Occupation - Birth town BURNLEY Birth county LANCASHIRE Birth place WORKHOUSE House name - Street - Parish BURNLEY Town - City BURNLEY County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Municipal ward ST ANDREW Parliamentary borough BURNLEY Ecclesiastical disctrict ST ANDREW BURNLEY Registration district BURNLEY Enumeration district 71 Series RG12 Piece number 3372 Folio number 121 Page 9
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5 Jun 2014 09:11 |
According to LancsBMD she died in Burnley West (registers in Preston), so it could well be this one:
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation ELIZABETH MARLAND HEAD MARRIED Female 57 1854 PRESTON LANCASHIRE - ELLEN MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 30 1881 PRESTON LANCASHIRE WEAVER IN A COTTON MILL ELIZABETH MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 24 1887 PRESTON LANCASHIRE WINDER IN A COTTON MILL ETHEL MARLAND DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 20 1891 PRESTON LANCASHIRE MICA CUTTER Print individual transcription View image Individual transcription First name(s) ELIZABETH Last name MARLAND Relationship HEAD Marital condition MARRIED Gender Female Age 57 Birth year 1854 Birth place PRESTON LANCASHIRE Occupation - Marriage year - Years married - Address 4 MILES STREET PRESTON Parish PRESTON County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Registration district PRESTON Registration district number 476 Subdistrict NORTH PRESTON Subdistrict number 3 Enumeration district 12 Piece number 25285 Census reference RG14PN25285 RG78PN1447 RD476 SD3 ED12 SN210 Schedule 210 Census reference RG14 Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales Category Census, land & surveys Record collection Census Collections from Great Britain
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5 Jun 2014 08:30 |
I can't find the address on 1911 census but the Elizabeth Marland you mentioned who died in 1912 was this one:
Burial: 23 Jan 1912 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Marland - Age: 59yrs Abode: 5 Stephenson Sq Grave: 16658 Notes: Buried in a Public Grave Gender: F Register: Burials 1909 - 1914, Page 176, Entry 75570 Source: Original Registers Book 10
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5 Jun 2014 08:04 |
This is where the info comes from - marriage to Sarah has him as a widower so we need to find a death for Elizabeth:
Marriage: 8 Nov 1889 St Luke, Brierfield, Lancashire, England Edward Marland - (X), 32, Brickmaker, Widower, Brierfield Sarah Robinson - 26, Winder, Spinster, Brierfield Groom's Father: Joshua Marland, Brickmaker Bride's Father: William Robinson, Labourer Witness: William Robinson; Ellen Robinson Married by Banns by: Edward Jobson Vicar Notes: [Note in margin] In entgry No 171 Cols 2 and 7 and in the attestation, for Marlin read Marland. Corrected on the 3rd Feb 1917 by me, Thomas Smith Vicar in the presence of Edward Marland and Sarah Marland the partners married Register: Marriages 1873 - 1900, Page 86, Entry 171 Source: LDS Film 1471023
LancsOPC site.
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Shirley
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4 Jun 2014 23:08 |
Yes..James born 1892..baptised as edward and Elizabeth's child...even after he had married Sarah Robinson in brierfield in 1889. Elizabeth I think did not die until 1912...in 1917 edward and Sarah went to church to say mistake made on marriage certificate with Edwards name..not edward marlin or malin...seems suspicious to me .
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4 Jun 2014 22:40 |
No...just hoping I'm right with maiden name for elizabeth..his first wife...think they had another child together..maybe even two more..James, and first, elizabeth Ann. Think James born after his marriage to Sarah Robinson in 1889.
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