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Hi Anita,

This looks to be Emmeline in 1891 census

Name: Emmaline Dunk
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Birthplace: Milton, Kent
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Dartford
Sub-District: Dartford
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity
Parish: Dartford
County: Kent

BUT although she is in the ecclesiastical parish of Holy Trinity there does not seem to be a marriage for her and James in these church records.

Children of James Henry & Emmeline WHITE baptised there were: (apart from Annie already given)

22nd April1896 James Henry, Abode, 11 Overy Street, father's occ: Brewer's Drayman

20th June 1897 Queenie Blanche, Abode, 11 Overy Street, father's occ: Labourer

9th August 1899 William John, Abode 11 Nelsons Place, Overy Street, father's occ: Labourer

19th September 1900 Frederick Harold, Abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer

31st December 1902 Ivy May, abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer

23rd March 1904 Jack, abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer

7th October 1908 Dorothy Mabel abode, 12 Vauxhall Place, father's occ: Labourer


James Henry died aged 2 months and was buried on 6th June 1896

William John died aged 3 weeks and was buried on 21st August 1899

Ivy May died aged 2 months and was buried on 13th February 1903

There was a burial for a Daisy White aged 8 days on 24th January 1894 which could be the other child (9 children born, 4 having died, according to Gins re the 1911 census).

Death reg for Emmeline White:

Deaths Jun 1953
Dartford 5b 379
Emmeline White
Aged 85

I suspect that this is James White in the 1871 census


James White in household of James White, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: James White
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Dartford, Kent
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Dartford
Sub-District: Dartford
Parish: Wilmington
County: Kent
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self James White M 25 Hawley, Kent
Wife Mary White F 21 Dartford, Kent
Daughter Jane White F 5 Dartford, Kent
Son James White M 2 Dartford, Kent
Daughter Louisa White F 1 Hawley, Kent

He was baptised in Wilmington in 1871 (12th Nov same day as brother John, born in 1871)

SAME FAMILY IN 1881 CENSUS:


James White, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: James White
Age (Original): 39
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1842
Birthplace: Wilmington, Kent, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer In Brickfield
Address: 77 Lowfield St
Event Place: Dartford, Kent, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341205
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 865 / 112
Page Number: 14
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head James White M 39 Wilmington, Kent, England
Wife Mary White F 33 Dartford, Kent, England
Daughter Jane White F 15 Dartford, Kent, England
Son James White M 13 Dartford, Kent, England
Daughter Louisa White F 11 Wilmington, Kent, England
Son Harry White M 5 Wilmington, Kent, England


but can't be sure so it might be worth buying the marriage certificate for James Henry White and Emmeline Dunk to confirm James Henry's father.

Chris

Many thanks everyone, you are al so fantastic! going to add this all in to my tree and then start ordering the certificates to put into my Family Tree book :-D

I just can't thank you all enough!!!

Anita xxxx (big kisses all round)

This is the most likely death for Annie Louisa, wonder who registered it?

Annie Louise Scott
Birth Date:1 Nov 1906
Date of Registration:Jul 1988
Age at Death:81
Registration district:Gravesend
Inferred County:Kent
Volume:16
Page:732

Raymonds grandmothers baptism



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:Emiline Dunk

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:29 Mar 1868

Baptism Place:Milton-next-Sittingbourne, Kent, England

Father:
William Dunk

Mother:
Mary

FHL Film Number:1473711

1911 England Census


Name:Annie White

Age in 1911:4

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1907

Relation to Head:Daughter

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Dartford, Kent, England

Civil Parish:Dartford

County/Island:Kent

Street address:
83 Lowfield Street, Dartford

Registration district:Dartford

Registration District Number:43

Sub-registration district:Dartford

ED, institution, or vessel:7

Household schedule number:15

Piece:3769

Household Members:


James White 43 Labourer
Emmeline White 45 <<<<9 children, 4 died
Queenie White 14
Frederick White 10
Jack White 7
Annie White 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<mother for Raymond
Dorothy White 2

Great find Chris :-D Think that seals it. Your original find for a birth looks to be spot on.

This looks like the marriage reg for James & Emmeline:

Marriages Dec 1891
Couchman Frederick Dartford 2a 850
Dunk Emmeline Dartford 2a 850<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Turner Sarah Ann Dartford 2a 850
White James Henry Dartford 2a 850<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Thanks Gins, I must confess it took me a while to get my head around it.

Baptism: Holy Trinity Dartford
Nov 28th 1906
Annie Louisa White
Parents: James Henry and Emmeline White
Abode: 12 Vauxhall Place
Father's Occ: Labourer

Link below: (6th entry down on left hand page)

http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=ShowImg&Img=/cityark/Scans/Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/P110_DARTFORD_HOLY_TRINITY_1363_1988/01_Inital_Deposit_1363_1946/01_Incumbent_Service_of_the_Church_Registers_1561_1946/P110_01_56.html/00000097.jpg

Nice one Chris!

I've never got my head around City Ark, tried to search looking for the info that you have found and still can't get anywhere!

BINGO!!

Baptism : 12th January 1927, Raymond Victor White mother Annie Louisa White, 41 Norman Road, Dartford

Link below: (hopefully you will be able to see this ok (last entry on the right hand page, NOTE THE BIRTH DATE ON THE RIGHT)

http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=ShowImg&Img=/cityark/Scans/Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/P110_DARTFORD_HOLY_TRINITY_1363_1988/01_Inital_Deposit_1363_1946/01_Incumbent_Service_of_the_Church_Registers_1561_1946/P110_01_57.html/00000185.jpg

Just in case it's relevant, that was her brother & sister witnessing the marriage. They are on the 1911 census together - and although James is not listed with second name, he signed the form James Henry. Her mother was Emmaline.

County Kent
Place Dartford
Church Holy Trinity Pr
RegisterNumber 416
MarriageDate 01 Aug 1931
GroomForename Walter William Frederick
GroomSurname SCOTT
GroomAge 35
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Handyman
GroomAbode Lowfield St.
BrideForename Annie Louisa
BrideSurname WHITE
BrideAge 23
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Norman Rd.
GroomFatherForename Arthur
GroomFatherSurname SCOTT
GroomFatherOccupation Handyman
BrideFatherForename James Henry
BrideFatherSurname WHITE
BrideFatherOccupation Lamp Attendant
WitnessOneForename Frederick H
WitnessOneSurname WHITE
WitnessTwoForename Dorothy Mable
WitnessTwoSurname WHITE

(if relating, from below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

Probate record for the death posted by Reggie:

Walter Frederick William Scott
Probate Date:1 Jul 1963
Death Date:30 May 1963
Death Place:Kent, England
Registry:London, England

"Otherwise Walter William Frederick, of 12 Walnut Tree Ave, Wilmington. Probate to Annie Louisa Scott, widow. £168 3s.

Possible half-sister born in 1934..............see freebmd

On ER under married name up to 2009

Deaths Jun 1963 (>99%)
SCOTT WALTER F W 68 DARTFORD 5B 452


Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
Scott Walter Frederick W St. Saviour 1d 173

First name(s) RAYMOND VICTOR
Last name SCOTT
Gender Male
Birth day 21
Birth month 12
Birth year 1926
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1993
District GRAVESEND
District number 5621A
County Kent
Country England
Volume -
Page -
Entry number 067
DOR 493

The DOB would fit with a JFM 1927 registration................it looks as though Chris has found the answer..........he was illegitimate

Who did he name as his father when he married?

Maybe if you give us the facts as to how you got back to him, we might be able to see the bigger picture, and help you


:-)

This might be a possibility???

Birth: Raymond V White
Mar Q 1927
Dartford 2a 1016
Mother's maiden name WHITE

Marriage:
Sep Q 1931

Scott Walter W F White Dartford 2a 2217

White Annie L Scott Dartford 2a 2217

Thanks everyone for the details on Samuel R V Scott, not whom I am looking for then.

Our Raymond married May Smoker in 1953 in Dartford. Keith, my son in law has spoken to his dad but he doesn't know who his grandfather was, or of any uncles/aunts on his fathers side. Although we've got him writing down everything he can remember.

Still appreciate any help, as I don't want to order lots of birth certificates as they are quite expensive, I'd rather order the correct one!

Anita x