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23 May 2014 06:18 |
Hi All, Many thanks for this information. Gins.........you have spotted the mystery about married name v. maiden name. I have no other details about this woman except the 1891 and 1901 census where she tells us she was born in Ireland. It's possible her married and maiden name were the same ( my grandmothers was) or she reverted to her maiden name. Chris Ho..............you have posted the 1891 marriage cert. showing the mystery. thanks for that. Reggie........... thanks for the 1881 Census with another John Ferris who was a vet I shall follow this man up. I't taken myself and a cousin in Candian ages to try to work out who this woman was. :-D
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23 May 2014 06:18 |
Hi All, Many thanks for this information. Gins.........you have spotted the mystery about married name v. maiden name. I have no other details about this woman except the 1891 and 1901 census where she tells us she was born in Ireland. It's possible her married and maiden name were the same ( my grandmothers was) or she reverted to her maiden name. Chris Ho..............you have posted the 1891 marriage cert. showing the mystery. thanks for that. Reggie........... thanks for the 1881 Census with another John Ferris who was a vet I shall follow this man up. I't taken myself and a cousin in Candian ages to try to work out who this woman was. :-D
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21 May 2014 17:55 |
1901
Name: Margaret Hellyer Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Henry Hellyer Birth Place: Ireland Civil Parish: Portsmouth Ecclesiastical parish: Southsea St Simon County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Portsmouth Sub-registration district: Kingston and East Southsea ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 990 Folio: 92 Page Number: 20 Household schedule number: 119 Household Members: Name Age Henry Hellyer 43 Margaret Hellyer 43
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21 May 2014 09:06 |
Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%) Ferris John 60 Brecknock 11b 67
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation Birth Place JOHN FERRIS HEAD WIDOWER Male 52 1829 INSPECTOR UNDER ANIMALS HEAD VETINARY SURGEON M.R.C.V.S. EDINGBURGH COLLEGE CAPTON, DEVON Image Transcription HENRY FERRIS BROTHER WIDOWER Male 46 1835 - DITTISHAM, DEVON Image Transcription JOHN V R FERRIS NEPHEW SINGLE Male 16 1865 SCHOLAR BRECON, BRECKNOCKSHIRE, WALES Image Transcription MARGARET WILLIAMS SERVANT SINGLE Female 22 1859 HOUSEKEEPER BRECON, BRECKNOCKSHIRE, WALES Image Transcription PHILIP MIDDLETON SERVANT SINGLE Male 16 1865 STABLE BOY GROOM DOM DOWLAIS, GLAMORGANSHIRE, WALES
He married his housekeeper...................
Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%) Ferris John Brecknock 11b 137 Williams Margaret Brecknock 11b 137 .
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21 May 2014 08:30 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name:John Ferris
Probate Date:15 Sep 1890
Death Date:26 Jun 1890
Death Place:Brecon, Wales
Registry:Hereford
Late of the Watton, in the town of Brecon - veterinary sugeon
Probate to: Margaret Ferris, relict and widow £1508
Following this man on the censuses, there is no daughter called Margaret
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Chris Ho :)
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21 May 2014 08:09 |
Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Ferris Margaret Jane Portsea 2b 889 Hellyer Henry Portsea 2b 889
Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- Hellyer Margaret J 52 Portsmouth 2b 352
Marriage 14 June 1891 Henry HELLYER, 34, bachelor, Plumber & Decorator, 27 Somerset Road & Margaret Jane FERRIS, 33, widow, 27 Somerset Road, after Banns, fathers were William HELLYER, Plumber & John FERRIS, Veterinary Surgeon, in the presence of W. AMBLER & M.A. AMBLER.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT/2006-02/1140622656
(seems to be quite a bit on google!)
Chris :)
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21 May 2014 07:05 |
Margaret Ferris, the one on the census that Reggie posted is listed as a widow
This means Ferris is her married name so can't be the daughter of John Ferris
What details do you have for your Margaret, in addition to the father's name?
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Pamela
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21 May 2014 06:52 |
Hi Reggie......yes this is the Margaret Jane Ferris; we are looking for her father. She married just after this census and gave her father as John Ferris vet. She says she was born in Ireland. From information found by Ginns, Chris and others...........John Andrew Ferris of the Royal Artillery is not her farther.......so are we able to find out more informatiom about a Irish John Ferris ? Best Regards, Pam Portsmouth :-) :-)
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Pamela
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21 May 2014 06:52 |
Hi Reggie......yes this is the Margaret Jane Ferris; we are looking for her father. She married just after this census and gave her father as John Ferris vet. She says she was born in Ireland. From information found by Ginns, Chris and others...........John Andrew Ferris of the Royal Artillery is not her farther.......so are we able to find out more informatiom about a Irish John Ferris ? Best Regards, Pam Portsmouth :-) :-)
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20 May 2014 08:28 |
Does this have any relevance?
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name MARGARET J Last Name FERRIS Relationship SERVANT Condition WIDOW Gender Female Age 32 Year Of Birth 1859 Occupation COOK DOMESTIC SERVANT Birth Town - Birth County - Birth Place IRELAND House Name SOLENT HOUSE Street SOUTH PARADE Town - Parish PORTSEA City PORTSMOUTH County Hampshire Registration District PORTSEA ISLAND Vessel Name - Archive Reference RG12 Piece Number 876 Folio 91 Page 13
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20 May 2014 08:25 |
Which of these is your relation?
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Pamela
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20 May 2014 08:02 |
Yeaph........thanks all .................this is the person...............but not the father of Margaret Jane Ferris b.c 1858 Irland...............oh well will have to try again :-D
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Chris Ho :)
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20 May 2014 07:47 |
Checking 1863 India Marriage image, Find My Past, her Father, Thomas Benwell. Both of Full Age, John occ. Surgeon, wits. Jno. B. Barry, G.R. Ferris.
Chris :)
Royal Cornwall Gazette 13 March 1863
Ferris - Benwell On the 2nd ult. at Calcutta, John Andrew Ferris, surgeon, youngest son of Josephus Ferris Esq., of Polgwynne, Highbury, New Park, Middlesex, to Clara, daughter of the late Mr. Thomas Ferris of Southampton, and Niece of the late Mrs Ferris, of Polgwynne.
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20 May 2014 07:40 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name:John Andrew Ferris <<<Surgeon
Probate Date:8 Apr 1897
Death Date:31 Mar 1897
Death Place:Surrey, England
Registry:London, England
Probate to: Ada Hill, wife of Augustus Robert Hill, £244 12s 8d
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20 May 2014 07:29 |
Ada' marriage
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Ada Ferris
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865
Age:25
Spouse Name: Augustas Robert Hill
Spouse Age:23
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:25 Jan 1890
Parish:West Kensington St Mary
Borough:Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: John Acdson Ferris <<<<<Andrew! Doctor of medicine
Spouse Father: Sidney Hill
Register Type:Parish Register
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20 May 2014 07:27 |
Confirmation of the mothers maiden name
1871 England Census
Name:Ada Ferris
Age:6
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865
Relation:Niece
Gender:Female
Where born:Calcutta, India
Civil Parish:Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
County/Island:London
Country: England
Registration district:Islington
Sub-registration district:Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel:74
Household schedule number:50
Piece:276
Folio:10
Page Number:14
Household Members:
Name
Age
J Benwall 47 C Ferris 42 L Benwall 40 S Thomas Hill 19 Ada Ferris 6 Harry Ferris 4 Charles Kensit 29 Sarah Lindsay 39 Mary E Knight 24 Mary A Jackson 22 Mary Macdonald 40
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Pamela
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20 May 2014 07:26 |
Many thanks for your quick reply Gins and Chris.......this gives me a start. They were married in 1863..............so can't be parents to Margaret b. Ireland 1858. Have a good day Pam :-D
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20 May 2014 07:22 |
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about John Andrew Ferris
Name: John Andrew Ferris
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1835
Baptism Date: 22 May 1835
Baptism Place: Truro,Cornwall,England
Father: Josephus Ferris
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 0226223, 0226224, PLUS
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20 May 2014 07:20 |
Presidency of Marriage BENGAL Marriage Year 1863 Husband First Names John A Husband Surname Ferris Wife First Names Clara Wife Surname Benwell Prefix N1 Source Year 1863 Volume Number 103 Folio 85 LDS Film Reference 499009
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php
Chris :)
Baptism Day Month 22-May Year 1835 Parish Or Reg District Truro, St. Mary Forename John Andrrew Surname FERRIS Sex Father Forename Josephus Mother Forename Mary Residence St. Mary Father Rank Profession merchant Notes Born 3 March
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
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20 May 2014 07:16 |
Have you got the birth year wrong for Ada?
India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name:Ada Ferris
Gender:Female
Birth Date:23 Aug 1864
Birth Place:chr Calcutta, Bengal, India
Baptism Date:25 Nov 1864
Baptism Age:0
Baptism Place:Calcutta, Bengal, India
Father: John Andrew Ferris
Mother: Clara
Reference ID:v 110 p 18
FHL Film Number:499016
The marriage for the parents
India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948
Name:John Andrew Ferris
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:2 Feb 1863
Marriage Place:Calcutta, Bengal, India
Father: Josephus Ferris
Spouse: Clara Benwell
FHL Film Number:499009
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