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Hi

Where do I find the birth indexes for the above? Looking for anEdward Orrin born 1850 at sea - ship possiblly named OHIO.

Many thanks

Samantha

Hi Samantha

What makes you think he was born 'at sea'?

Do you have any other details for him, family and where he lived?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/bmdatseaorabroad.htm

Added:
Cannot see him on any trees on genes.

Can only see an American on quick record searches.

If he was English or Welsh, then his birth may not have been registered. It wasn't compulsory to do so until about 1873.

The name of Ohio does suggest that it was an American vessel.

I found an Edward Orrin on the 1870 US census who was born c1849 in Ohio ......

Samantha, if you can give us the source of your info then we may have a better chance of helping you.

ADDED: The Ohio record is for a member of the Orrin Brothers gymnastic troupe. They did come to the UK.

Hi

I am taking it from the 1870 US census - at first I took it to mean the state of Ohio, which I thought was an odd place given his family were in a circus based in NYC. His father's stage name was George F Honey. I found a ship's passener listing for G F Honey travelling from Havana to New York on the ship 'Ohio' in 1850 - the penny dropped, the age of Edward puts him being born in 1850.

That he was born between Havana and NYC however, now makes me think his birth wouldn't have been registered in the English indexes. Both his parents were English, but I wonder which nationality he would have been given? I'm guessing things were a bit informal in 1850.

The age of Edward puts him as being born before 1850, surely?

He is showing as American on that 1870 census.

If the father belongs to a travelling troupe, then was he always just based in New York?

Was the G F Honey on the Ohio travelling with his wife? Why would he use his stage name on a ship's list?

Do you have a name for the wife?

Thanks

This G F Honey?

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about G F Honey
Name: G F Honey
Arrival Date: 26 Mar 1850
Port of Departure: Chagres, Panama via Havana, Cuba
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Ohio


New York, Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1850 about G. F. Honey
Name: G. F. Honey
Arrival Date: 26 Mar 1850
Port of Arrival: New York
Port of Departure: Chagres, Havana
Place of Origin: United States of America
Ship: Ohio
Family Identification: 3151486
Microfilm Serial Number: M237
Microfilm Roll Number: 86

Samantha

Is this his death? If so, he is listed as an American citizen



Reports of Deaths of American Citizens Abroad, 1835-1974


Name:Edward Walter Orrin

Date of Birth:abt 1848

Date of Death:23 Sep 1925

Place of Death:Mexico

Age at Death:77

Custody of his effects: Edward orlando Orrin - nephew

1860 United States Federal Census

Name:George F Oram

Age in 1860:37

Birth Year:abt 1823

Birthplace:England

Home in 1860:
New York Ward 14 District 2, New York, New York

Gender:Male

Post Office:New York


George F Oram 37 <<Gymnast
Zilla T Oram 33
George W Oram 14
Edward W Oram 11 <<<<<<<<<Ohio
John R Oram 8




Mexico, Select Deaths, 1680-1940

Name:Jorge F. Orrin

Gender:Male

Spouse:Zilla Frunachiff De Orrin




Mexico, Select Deaths, 1680-1940

Name:Zilla Frunachiff De Orrin

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Married

Death Date:25 may 1884

Death Place:Distrito Federal, Mexico

Spouse:
Jorge F. Orrin

FHL Film Number:35768

Ref ID:Vol 40 P 11

In 1850-1-2 he was with the late Rufus Welch's National Circus, Ninth and .... The company sailed from New York Harbor on the Inman Line steamer, City of ..... A second engagement in Havana was filled upon the return and a number of ..... Honey), father of the celebrated circus proprietors, George and Edward Orrin; and

http://www.circushistory.org/Scrap/Scrap32Jan.htm

(something in above, from google)

Chris :)

Parents marriage


Marriages Jun 1845 (>99%)


Orrin George Frederick Manchester 20 664
Stead Zillah Manchester 20 664
Stead Zulah Manchester 20 664


Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930


Name:George Fredrick Ovrin

Age:Full

Marriage Date:9 Apr 1845

Parish:Manchester, St John

Parish as it Appears:Manchester

Father's Name:James Ovrin

Spouse's Name:Zillah Stead

Spouse's Father's Name:John Stead

Reference Number:
GB127.M403/6/3/18

Thanks, I have the marriage cert of George F and Zillah. They emigrated to the US in the 1840s. But travelled around a lot, their children were born all over the place.