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13 May 2014 19:25 |
Hi Simon
There is this Will
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858
Name:John Stuart
Probate Date: 26 Jun 1810
Must be the same family, as Mary Sarah Stuart and Charlotte ? Stuart are mentioned
Looks like that 'death' I posted earlier is correct
Do you want me to send you this too, to look through it?
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13 May 2014 14:01 |
Thanks Gins. I'll PM you.
Simon
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11 May 2014 13:17 |
There is this record but no way of proving if it your John
Web: Ireland, Burial Index, 1600-1927
Name:Jno Stuart
Death Date:abt 1810
Burial Date:8 Apr 1810
Burial Place:St. Paul, Dublin, Ireland
URL: http://churchrecords.irishgene...
There is a Will for 1810 and it may or may not be the above. I read through earlier today and it mentions two daughters, not sure of the names now - Sarah Mary Stuart ? You say John' wife, Mary died in 1848, I'm not seeing a record for that?
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11 May 2014 13:04 |
Eringobragh1916 - sorry, I didn't acknowledge your item in my last message. I was getting quite excited by this one but... then I found this: "Mary Archdall was born on 11 October 1764.1 She was the daughter of Colonel Mervyn Archdall and Hon. Mary Dawson.1 She married Rt. Hon. Sir John Stewart, 1st Bt., son of Reverend Hugh Stewart and Sarah Hamilton, on 4 June 1789.1 She died on 28 May 1795 at age 30.1" http://www.thepeerage.com/p26364.htm#i263632
My Mary was clearly still alive until 1848.
Ho hum...
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11 May 2014 12:50 |
Wow! You lot have been busy haven't you! Thank you...
Yes, you're all on the right track - sort of. It is all the same family. Quite why the 4 children of Thomas Smyth carried the surname Stuart is a mystery. Again, we have old family letters which shed a little (but rather dim) light on this, viz;
"...I thought, “shall I tell her the true history of the Stuart family, of that Scotch marriage which was never proved because it was never questioned till too late. My great-grandfather (Thomas Prendergast Smyth) was for 40 years Member of Limerick, the place of his birth, was received with his Scotch bride into society and no difficulty or doubt arose till quite late in life when his (younger) brother (John Prendergast Smyth - later 1st Viscount Gort) told him his marriage wd be disputed after his death. My g. grandfather started off to seek proofs of his marriage, was taken ill on the journey, returned home and died. His children remained in Limerick, continued in society and to call themselves nephew of their uncle Ld Gort..."
Yes, there is quite a bit about the family in t'internet - John's eldest brother was Charles 'Hindoo' Stuart, a somewhat colourful Major General in HEIC.
ArgyllGran - the record you show for John Prendergast Smyth relates, I think, to John's uncle, the 1st Viscount Gort who died in 1817, 'though why Probate wasn't granted until 1873, I know not.
The Baptism record is, quite possibly what I'm after. Using it, I've looked to see whther any of John's 3 siblings (Charles, Thomas, Eliza) appear in the same manner - but sadly not, and not with Stuart, Stewart or Smyth. (There is a record for Eliza's marriage to Joshua Paul Barker in 1791, where she is referred to as 'Stewart'... oh, more confusion!)
Thanks Gins, yes, this Anne is the niece of John, daughter of Thomas Stuart, granddaughter of Thomas Prendergast Stuart. As you say, She married Charles James Coote in 1834. I will PM you my email for a copy of his Will, thanks. Anne died in Leamington, Warwickshire, 27/5/1859. (At Leamington, after a short illness, Anne, relict of the late Col. Coote, 18th Regiment, and daughter of the late Thomas Stewart, Esq. of Lifford, near Limerick. http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/06%2001%2059.pdf) One of her brothers was Robert Stuart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stuart)
So, I now have a potential Baptism date, thanks. Anything else would be more than welcome!
Simon
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11 May 2014 10:05 |
This is the death of Ann Stewart' husband (the daughter of Thomas Prendergast Smyth)
India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
Name:Charles James Coote
Gender:Male
Age:38
Birth Date:1815
Death Date: 24 May 1853
Burial Date:25 May 1853
Burial Place:Rangoon, Bengal, India
FHL Film Number:498992
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858
Name:Charles James Coote Esquire
Probate Date: 10 Mar 1854
If you don't have a copy of the Will, I can email to you, just PM me your email address
Irish Records Extraction Database
Name:Charles James Coote
Sex:Male
Marriage:1834
Marriage Place:Diocese of Cork & Ross, County Cork, Ireland
Spouse:Anne Stewart
Source: Albert Eugene Casey, Eleanor L. Downey-Prince, and Ursula Dietrich.. Index of O'Kief, Coshe Mange, Slieve Lougher and Upper Blackwater in Ireland. 16 vols. Birmingham, Alabama: Knocknagree Historical Fund, 1952-1971. See
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11 May 2014 09:41 |
In the link posted by Gins, it says Thomas Prendergast Smyth died unmarried - which would explain why the sons had their mother's surname.
"He died unmarried on 23 May 1817, and was succeeded in his titles according to the special remainder by his nephew Charles Vereker."
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11 May 2014 09:20 |
The above Probate record can't be the correct man as he would have been about 130 when he died
There is lots online about the family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prendergast_Smyth,_1st_Viscount_Gort
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10 May 2014 23:46 |
Simon...This may be the marriage of John Stuart ....
Area - DUBLIN (COI) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. ANNE Marriage of JOHN STEWART and MARY ARCHDALL on 4 June 1789
Husband Wife Name JOHN STEWART MARY ARCHDALL Address N/R N/R Occupation ESQR N/R Father N/R N/R Mother N/R N/R
Married by Licence..by the Honorable and Rev.William Dawson
You can check it out on.. churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
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10 May 2014 22:08 |
Just in case this is relevant:
Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about John Name: John Gender: Male Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1761 Baptism Place: Saint John, Limerick, Limerick, Ireland Father's Name: Tho FHL Film Number: 874438
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2014 22:04 |
Why is John's surname Stuart, and his father's Smyth? Or have I misunderstood what you've written?
Was Thomas Prendergast Smyth his stepfather?
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10 May 2014 21:48 |
Name: John Prendergast Smyth Event Type: Probate Event Date: 1873 Event Place: Limerick, Ireland Document Number: 020 Volume Number: 112 Volume Date Range: Nov-Dec 1873 Property Name: Parish: Electoral Division: Barony: County: Limerick
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10 May 2014 21:32 |
Hi I am looking for any information about this John Stuart.
He was born c1760 in Limerick, son of Thomas Prendergast Smyth.
He married in 1789* a Mary*** (surname unknown - unless you can tell me!) She died in Dublin in 1848.****
He died between 1801** and 1823***
* in Jan 1791 his brother Charles, in India, wrote to his brother Thomas, in Ireland, thus "I was made extremely happy by the Receipt of a long expected letter from you, closed the 11th November 1789... It gives me great pleasure and Satisfaction to learn that John’s affairs are in a position of improvement, and I sincerely wish him and his Lady every Success & happiness, and which I beg you will express to them, in the kindest manner." From which I deduce a Marriage in 1789.
** in Sept 1801 his brother Charles, in Cape Town, wrote to his brother Thomas, in Ireland, thus "I embrace this opportunity of endorsing you a Bill of Exchange, on my Agents in London, for One hundred Guineas... ...the remaining fifty between John and Eliza." (Eliza was their sister). Thus I assume John was still alive in 1801 ('though news of his earlier death may not have reached Charles who had been at sea since April 1801... it's a long story!!)
*** by his Will dated 9 September 1823, Charles leaves "...to Mrs Mary Stuart relict of my brother John Stuart to be equally divided between her and her children three thousand pounds..."
**** Limerick Chronicle 09/12/1848, At Middle Gardiner Street (Dublin), Mary, relict of the late John Stuart, Esq, of Limerick.
So, those are all the facts I have. I don't know the names of any of the children referred to in the Will mentioned above (if indeed any existed).
I look forward to hearing from you all...!
Simon
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