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11 May 2014 15:45 |
daisy winifred bryan 1913 is my mother kathleen Bryan is on 1911 census born in warwickshire her parents were george bryan and emma timpson kathleen married arthur edward eley born1901 my middle name is kathleen my brothers is edward. i believe kathleen and arthur had 2 sons robert and david some tree users have listed my parents Daisy bryan and ernest eley as the parents of these 2 boys which is incorrect as i have copies of their birth records
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2 May 2014 17:17 |
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription First Name THOMAS ROBERT Last Name BRYAN Year 1898 Event Quarter 2 Spouse - Country England County Middlesex District UXBRIDGE Volume 3A Page 67 Line Number 221 Potential Spouse Names ETHEL ALICE CARTER, EMMA SMALL
----------------------------------------------------------------- 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription First Name THOMAS Last Name BRYAN Relationship HEAD Condition MARRIED Gender Male Year Of Birth 1872 Age 39 Occupation LABOURER AT MARGRINS WORKS Address 22 QUEENS ROAD SOUTHALL MIDDSEX Parish NORWOOD County Middlesex Country ENGLAND Where Born BRENTFORD Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 6795 Census Reference RG14PN6795 RG78PN339 RD127 SD3 ED13 SN225 Registration District UXBRIDGE Registration District Number 127 Sub District HAYES Enumeration District 13 SubDistrict Number 3 Folio - Page -
Household Members First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age Where Born THOMAS BRYAN HEAD 1872 39 BRENTFORD EMMA BRYAN WIFE 1876 35 WEST EALING MARY BRYAN DAUGHTER 1902 9 SOUTHHALL ALICE BRYAN DAUGHTER 1905 6 - EDNA BRYAN DAUGHTER 1907 4 HARWELL THOMAS BRYAN SON 1909 2 CONLEY READING
Married 13 years. 5 children born, 4 living, 1 died
A Dorothy Bryan, daughter is listed and the crossed through as died. Age not recorded but named between Mary and Alice.
A child could have been born after the census and before mmn was recorded from the Sep Qtr 1911 onwards. This shows Uxbridge RD Ivy Gladys Bryan 1911 Mar Qtr Uxbridge
Otherwise, with mmn Small there is Daisy W Bryan 1913 Uxbridge - is this Daisy Winifred your mother and William J Bryan 1915 Uxbridge
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Where was Kathleen Bryan born? There is a Kathleen 1905 Aston, Warwickshire and a Kathleen Hilda 1905 Bishops Stortford, Herts.
Do you have her on a census?
What makes you think there is a connection?
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2 May 2014 17:00 |
For our ref, to work from:
1881 England Census about Robert Eley Name: Robert Eley Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relationship to Head: Son Father: George Eley Mother: Charity Eley Gender: Male Where born: Buckland, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Buckland County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Faringdon Sub-registration district: Buckland ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1279 Folio: 87 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age George Eley 36 Charity Eley 37 Emily Lousia Eley 11 Kate Eley 9 Robert Eley 7 Lousia Eley 6 Edward Eley 5 George Eley 1
Robert's parents in 1871:
1871 England Census about George Eley Name: George Eley Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charity Eley Gender: Male Where born: Buckland, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Buckland Town: Buckland County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Registration district: Faringdon Sub-registration district: Buckland ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 1260 Folio: 21 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age George Eley 28 Charity Eley 29 Ellen E Eley 8 Emily L Eley 1
Robert's father in 1861:
1861 England Census about George Eley Name: George Eley Age: 17 Estimated birth year: 1844 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Eley Mother's name: Charlotte Eley Gender: Male Where born: Buckland, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Buckland County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Faringdon Sub-registration district: Buckland ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 137 Piece: 729 Folio: 88 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Eley 44 Charlotte Eley 43 George Eley 17 Henrietta Eley 10 John Eley 7 Jane Eley 11/12
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brenda
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2 May 2014 16:11 |
thankyou for all your info it has helped my father Ernest's father was Robert eley born 1873 in buckland Berkshire lived in southall on the 1911 census i am also trying to find a connection between Kathleen bryan born 1905 and my mother daisy Winifred bryan born 1913 my mothers father was Thomas bryan born approx. 1872 wife was emma small any info appreciated Brenda
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ArgyllGran
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2 May 2014 09:47 |
As Brenda's a new poster, PM sent today to let her know she has replies, and how to find her thread and add a reply.
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ArgyllGran
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1 May 2014 22:42 |
Do you know your father's father's name, Brenda? That might help us find a link.
Here's Stanley and his siblings in 1891:
1891 England Census about Stanley Eley Name: Stanley Eley Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation: Son Father's Name: Edward Eley Mother's name: Sarah A Eley Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England Civil Parish: Hammersmith County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 37 Folio: 47 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Edward Eley 48 - b. London St Pancras - hot water engineer Sarah A Eley 48 - b. Holborn, London Thomas Eley 20 - b. St Luke's, London Stanley Eley 17 - b. Hackney Herbert Eley 13 - b. York Allen Eley 11 - born Albert Edward, in Manchester Victoria Eley 10 b. Southport, Lancs Harry Eley 8 - b. Barton-on-the-heath, Staffs. Stloa Eley 6 - b. Manchester , daughter (not sure what that first name's supposed to be)
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ArgyllGran
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1 May 2014 22:21 |
It's confusing. The 1911 census says that Arthur, son of Stanley & Ellen, was born in Hampshire. But the baptism record says he was born in Stamford, Lincs.
I can't see an Arthur Eley born in Lincolnshire, in the 1911 census.
Re the 6 children born, 4 living, and 2 deceased, it looks as if Stanley has entered all 6 children, including the 2 who died. ??? Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%) ELEY Ivy Winifred 1 Fulham 1a 156
Deaths Sep 1905 (>99%) Eley Jack Stanley 0 Fulham 1a 144
[EDIT: Oops! Others have beaten me to the draw with that info.]
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1 May 2014 22:17 |
Yes, rather odd Alviegal. Although many included the names and ages of dead children, they were often crossed out by the enumerator and not usually included in the total number of inhabitants. Perhaps the fact that they were included they escaped the red ink correction.
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Mike *
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1 May 2014 22:15 |
1901
It does clearly say ELVEY on image but someone has amended it on Ancestry to Eley
Stanley Elvey 27 Ellen Elvey 21 Florence Elvey 15 - SISTER - Manchester
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alviegal
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1 May 2014 22:14 |
I wonder if he's a Hot Water and Cooking Apparatus Engineer working in a General engineers.
Apparatus engineer seems an extremely strange occupation for Ellen. :-)
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Mike *
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1 May 2014 22:11 |
Yes, 1911 census says married 10 yrs 6 children born 2 died
Full title for Stanley's occ : Hot water and Cooking General engineer
MARRIAGE Ellen Sophia Cuell Stanley Arthur Eley
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1900
Registration district:Winchester Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume Number:2c Page Number:232
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alviegal
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1 May 2014 22:11 |
That's strange rootgatherer as it states there are 8 people living in the house, 4 males and 4 females.
But, I agree, they certainly do appear to be the deaths of the two children.
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rootgatherer
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1 May 2014 22:07 |
Think they have included the deceased children on the census.
Name: Jack Stanley Eley Estimated birth year: abt 1905 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1905 Age at Death: 0 Registration district: Fulham Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 144
Name: Ivy Winifred Eley Estimated birth year: abt 1908 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1909 Age at Death: 1 Registration district: Fulham Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 156
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alviegal
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1 May 2014 21:43 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print this page View image First Name ARTHUR Last Name ELEY Relationship SON Condition - Gender Male Year Of Birth 1902 Age 9 Occupation - Address 45 WENDELL ROAD S BUSH Parish HAMMERSMITH County London Country ENGLAND Where Born HURSLEY HANTS Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 205 Census Reference RG14PN205 RG78PN7 RD3 SD1 ED11 SN278 Registration District FULHAM Registration District Number 3 Sub District NORTH HAMMERSMITH Enumeration District 11 SubDistrict Number 1
STANLEY ELEY HEAD 1873 38 HACKNEY LONDON Occupation HOT WATER AND COOKING ELLEN ELEY WIFE 1880 31 CRAWLEY HANTS Occupation APPARATUS ENGINEER ARTHUR ELEY SON 1902 9 HURSLEY HANTS Image Transcription NELLIE ELEY DAUGHTER 1904 7 CHESTERFIELD DERBYSHIRE Image Transcription JACK ELEY SON 1905 6 HAMMERSMITH LONDON Image Transcription WALTER ELEY SON 1907 4 HAMMERSMITH LONDON Image Transcription IVY ELEY DAUGHTER 1908 3 HAMMERSMITH LONDON Image Transcription IRIS ELEY DAUGHTER 1908 3 HAMMERSMITH LONDON
This is strange. It says 6 children born but 2 had died. 6 children are mentioned above.
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alviegal
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1 May 2014 21:40 |
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Arthur Edward Eley Name: Arthur Edward Eley Gender: Male Birth Date: 2 Nov 1901 Birth Place: Saint Michael, Stamford, Lincoln, England Baptism Date: 29 Dec 1901 Baptism Place: St Michaels, Stamford, Lincoln, England Father: Stanley Arthur Eley Mother: Ellen Sophia FHL Film Number: 1450475 Reference ID: yr 1863-1949 p 96
The tree above seems to have the wrong place of birth?
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alviegal
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1 May 2014 21:35 |
This is the one Mike. There are a few trees on ancestry with photos.
Arthur Edward Eley Birth 02 Nov 1901 in Winchester, Hampshire, England Death Sep 1966 in Market Harborough, Leicestershire, England
Kathleen Bryan Birth 1905 in Aston, England, United Kingdom Death Feb 1998 in Kettering, Northamptonshire, England
His father
Stanley Arthur Eley Birth 1873 in London South Hackney, London, Middlesex, England Death Sep 1957 in Ealing, Middlesex, England
and mother
Ellen Sophia Cuell Birth 1879 in Crawley, Hampshire, England Death 25 Jun 1953 in Ealing, Middlesex, England
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1 May 2014 21:26 |
Which one ?
Name: Arthur Edward Eley Birth: Oct 1901 - Winchester, Hampshire Volume:2c Page:150
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England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Arthur Edward Eley Birth Date:2 Nov 1901 Birth Place:Saint Michael, Stamford, Lincoln, England Baptism Date:29 Dec 1901 Baptism Place:St Michaels, Stamford, Lincoln, England
Father:Stanley Arthur Eley Mother: Ellen Sophia
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brenda
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1 May 2014 21:20 |
trying to trace this relative he married a kathleen Bryan in 1927 i believe they had 2 sons my father was an ernest eley my mother was daisy bryan i have traced kathleens family but can't find info on arthur ,want to know how they are related to my parents can anyone help
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