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wisechild
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2 May 2014 18:19 |
Another of life´s little mysteries Mary. Don´t you just love this hobby???
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2 May 2014 14:46 |
Patrick was a boot maker,the same as George Eaton. George is lodging with a family in 1881 and down as married. where was Honorah? She wasn't with dad and mum Patrick and Susan!
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2 May 2014 11:10 |
I wondered about Ann S too. Pretty sure no one would name their daughter Another. Also, Honora & George named their 1st 2 children George Patrick & Anna Susannah,so maybe we´re on the right track. Thanks for the help .
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2 May 2014 10:59 |
Patrick Murphy, "England and Wales Census, 1871" Name: Patrick Murphy Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 38 Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: Ireland Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Birmingham Sub-District: St Philip Parish: Birmingham County: Warwickshire Household Gender Age Birthplace Self Patrick Murphy M 38 Ireland Wife Susan Murphy F 30 Birmingham, Warwick Daughter Mary Ann Murphy F 15 Birmingham, Warwick Son Edmund Murphy M 13 Birmingham, Warwick Daughter Another Murphy F 11 Birmingham, Warwick Daughter Elizabeth Murphy F 9 Birmingham, Warwick Daughter Margaret Murphy F 7 Birmingham, Warwick Daughter Catherine Murphy F 5 Birmingham, Warwick
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2 May 2014 08:12 |
You might right about the name?
Here she is listed as Ann S but there is no birth registered for a girl with this name
1861 England Census
Name:Ann S Murphy
Age:2
Estimated birth year:1859
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Patrick Murphy
Mother's name:Susan Murphy
Gender:Female
Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:St Jude
County/Island:Warwickshire
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Household schedule number:65
Piece:2149
Folio:93
Page Number:12
Household Members:
Patrick Murphy 37 Susan Murphy 25 Mary A Murphy 6 Edmund Murphy 4 Ann S Murphy 2
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2 May 2014 08:02 |
Know nothing about her at all. Did find one possibility on the 71 census a few months back, enumerated as Another Murphy, daughter, with parents Patrick & Susan. Wonder if the enumerator mis heard Honora for Another In this game, anything is possible. It´s not a mistranscription because I´ve checked the image.
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2 May 2014 07:04 |
Could she have been born and baptised in Ireland (there are possible baptisms for her in Ireland) and moved to England very soon after
The birth then registered in England?
The death record that Margee mentions, definitely says she was born Ireland
I don't suppose you know if she had any siblings?
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1 May 2014 14:06 |
Thanks Margee. Yes, I have all the info on George, Annie & Charlie. Annie (Ann Maris Sewell) was my gran´s sister. I know that she & george had a stillborn son not long after they arrived in Canada, then a son called Kenneth whose DOB I don´t have, but he was a similar age to my father who was born in 1918. Kenneth was married twice & had 2 sons,Barry & a much younger one who was born to his 2nd wife.One of his wives was called Margaret & I think the other wasBeryl. Judging by the census, Kenneth was born 1919/20. I am intrigued to work out who Honora Murphy was. She can´t have been born in Ireland if her birth was registered in Birmingham, although I have no doubt her family was irish & they were obviously Cayholics.
Ann Cardiff Thanks for looking. Anna Susannah died in 1886 when she was a year old.
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1 May 2014 13:02 |
George P. with wife, son and brother Charles. George emigrated 1912, wife 1913 and brother 1920. Note here mother's birthplace is listed as England.
1921 Census of Canada about George P Eaton Name: George P Eaton Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 32 Birth Year: abt 1889 Birth Place: England Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Eaton Father Birth Place: England Mother Birth Place: England Year of Immigration: 1912 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: Ontario District: York East District Number: 142 Sub-District: Toronto (City, part) Sub-District Number: 56 City, Town or Village: Toronto Street or Township: 567 Greenwood Municipality: Ward 1 Occupation: Salesman Income: 1500 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George P Eaton 32 Annie Eaton 32 Kenneth G Eaton 1 Charles E Eaton 23
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1 May 2014 11:00 |
On the death certificate for son George Patrick, 1931, Toronto, Ontario it says mother Honora Murphy was born in Ireland.
Informant was his brother Charles Eaton, same address as George Patrick, 209 Kennedy Rd.
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1 May 2014 10:39 |
Name: Anna Susanna Eaton Gender: Female Christening Date: 29 Nov 1885 Christening Place: Birmingham, Warwick, England Birth Date: 06 Nov 1885 Father's Name: Georgii Eaton Mother's Name: Honora Murphy Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02291-8 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 1999851
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1 May 2014 08:16 |
Wonder if it was a double wedding or just co-incidence and Matthew is unrelated?
Name: Honora Murphy Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881 Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume Number: 6d Page Number: 267
Records on Page: Name Caroline Dillon George Eaton Honora Murphy Honra Murphy Matthew Murphy
This is the above Matthew in 1861 so probably a co-incidence
Name: Matthew Murphy Age: 3 Estimated birth year: 1858 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Murphy Mother's name: Catherine Murphy Gender: Male Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 82 Piece: 2153 Folio: 12 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Peter Barratt 60 Cecily Barratt 60 Thomas Murphy 34 Catherine Murphy 31 Mary Murphy 5 Matthew Murphy 3
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1 May 2014 07:53 |
Registered Birmingham 4th quarter 1859 6d 119. Don´t really want to go to the expense of buying the marriage cert as they are the in laws of my g aunt, whose children I am trying to trace in Canada. Thought I might pick up some clues from Honora Thanks for looking though.
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1 May 2014 07:50 |
Hmmmmmm maybe not?
1871 England Census
Name:Oney Murphy
Age:18
Estimated birth year:abt 1853
Relation:Son
Father's Name:John Murphy
Mother's name:Bridget Murphy
Gender:Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:St Stephen
Town:Birmingham
County/Island:Warwickshire
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:St George
ED, institution, or vessel:37
Household schedule number:25
Piece:3124
Folio:103
Page Number:5
Household Members:
John Murphy 40 Bridget Murphy 38 William Murphy 20 Oney Murphy 18 Thomas Murphy 15 John Murphy 11 Mary Murphy 9 Margaret Murphy 6 Harry Murphy 4 Maria Murphy 2
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1 May 2014 07:42 |
I was wondering about this, although the childs age and sex is wrong!
I cant see a birth registered for a child to match this census?
1861 England Census
Name:Honey Murphey
Age:7
Estimated birth year:1854
Relation:Grandson
Father's Name:William Murphey
Mother's name:Bridgett Murphey
Gender:Male
Where born:Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:St Stephen
Town:Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:St George
ED, institution, or vessel:24
Household schedule number:132
Piece:2160
Folio:40
Page Number:32
Household Members:
Mitchal Cornlan 61 Margarett Cornlan 60 Mitchal Cornlan 20 Margarett Cornlan 25 Bridgett Murphey 29 William Murphey 25 William Murphey 9 Honey Murphey 7 Thomas Murphey 4 John Murphey 1/12
The marriage cert should give you her fathers name and the birth cert both parents
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wisechild
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1 May 2014 07:10 |
Birth registered Birmingham 4th quarter 1859 Married George Eaton 1881 (Catholic church Birmingham?) On 1891 census in Warrington lancs !901 Birmingham 1911 Ditto Died Birmingham 1920. Lokking for her on 1861 & 71 in hope of finding her parents. Can anyone help please? have looked for Nora as well as Honora although she is always Honora in the records.
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