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Thanks everybody, done some searching at lunch time and ship went down southern Ireland by U 48 commanded by Kurt Ramien. It took 41 ships down, the cruise missle of WW1! Amazing to see the face of the man that took out one of my wifes extended ancestors. My wifes Auntie meet Aunty Lizzy in the 1950s and she wore black and was very old fashioned, she was scared of her at the time, but she may change her view about her now?
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From FindMyPast
Maritime deaths Transcription
First Name William
Last Name Ring
Birth Date 1878
Death Date 5 May 1917
Age 39
Birth Place kent
Place Of Death At Sea
County AT SEA
Vessel Feltria
Series BT334
Box 0071
Page 41
Record set Maritime deaths 1854-1972
Year Of Birth 1878
Year Of Death 1917
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
The image for the record gives his last place of abode as The Greyhound Hotel, Midland Road, Bristol.
The ship was torpedoed by enemy and he was drowned.
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Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church Holy Trinity - the Institution Church, West Hill, Dartford Pr
RegisterNumber 3
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 19 Feb 1915
Forename Elsie Harriett
FatherForename William
MotherForename Elizabeth Martha
FatherSurname RING
MotherSurname
Abode West Hill
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
(from above)
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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RING Elsie Rowland Dartford 2a 1159
Chris :)
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?11115
('Feltria' on above)
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1911
Name: John Ring
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Spond Lane, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Bexley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Magdala Cottage, Erith Rd, Bexleyheath, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Boiler Cleaner
Registration district: Dartford
Registration District Number: 43
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 225
Piece: 3734
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ring 64
Annie Ring 55
John Ring 19
Charles Ring 18
Gladys Ring 12
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1911
Name: William Ring
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Engineer
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Erith, Middlesex
Civil Parish: Newhaven and Denton Urban
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: Shawnee Newhaven West Side Of Harbour
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Engineer
Registration district: Newhaven
Registration District Number: 78
Sub-registration district: Newhaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 5088
Household Members:
Name Age
Earl De Lawan 42
Charles William Brarted 35
William Ring 33
1881?
Someone has added an alternative surname of King but it certainly looks like Ring on image.
Name: William Ring
[William King]
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John Ring
Mother: Annie M. Ring
Gender: Male
Where born: Erith, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Bexley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 9 Coronation Row
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 861
Folio: 96
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ring 32
Annie M. Ring 27
Mary J. Ring 5
William Ring 3
Rose A. Ring 2
George H. Ring
1891 - again looks like Ring on image
Name: William Ring
[William King]
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Ring
Mother's name: Annie M Ring
Gender: Male
Where born: Erith, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Bexley
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Bexley Heath
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 636
Folio: 58
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ring 42
Annie M Ring 37
Mary Jane Ring 15
William Ring 13
Rosa A Ring 12
George H Ring 10
Mable E Ring 7
Maud Ring 4
Gertrude Ring 3
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Thank you that lucks right. Its the additional information that gives it away. I'll re-check maybe it was Williams father I found in the census records? Never realised he could have been recorded on cwgc. Thanks again you have saved me many hours research.
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Is this him?
Casualty detailsRING, WILLIAM
Rank:Greaser
Date of Death:05/05/1917
Age:39
Regiment/Service:Mercantile Marine
S.S. "Feltria" (London)
Panel Reference
MemorialTOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Alice Ring, and the late John Ring; husband of Elizabeth Martha Ring (nee Rowland), of 105, Pattison Rd., Plumstead, Kent. Born at Erith, Kent.
From Commonwealth War Graves:
http://www.cwgc.org/
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On the weekend an extended family relation, found family notes captured 25 years ago and passed them on. Extract of major interest.
"• Elizabeth married Mr. Ring – lived in South Sea, Portsmouth.
Children: Gladys, Bessy, Maud, Elsie.
Mr. Ring was lost on the 1st merchant boat in 1914 war but Elizabeth didn’t get any widows benefits because he was recorded as Mr. King not Ring. Times were very hard."
I already had Elizabeth Martha Ring (Rowland) (b 18/10/1879) on my family tree and today have discovered she married William Ring (b 1853 d 1914?) in Alverstoke, Hampshire in 1904, She already had a daughter Eve in 1901 census in Birmingham and William was a merchant seaman in Hampshire in 1901. The help I need is what could the merchant ship could have been and could I confirm this tragic error or people lost on merchant ships in WW1? Can anybody help me in discovery the possible injustice? I do have access to Ancestry records.
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