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Ellison
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28 Apr 2014 19:25 |
Hi All,
I am having great difficulty in tracing my granddad's family. As far as i know he was born in Coed Poeth Wales ? His parents were Joseph Roberts & Elizabeth Hart. They had 3 children Joseph born 1892, My granddad Edward born 1894 then Blodwin 1908. Who I think was born in Platt Bridge Wigan Lancashire. Any help would be very appreciated.
Best Regards
Glyn Ellison
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alviegal
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28 Apr 2014 20:27 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print this page View image First Name EDWARD Last Name ROBERTS Relationship SON Condition SINGLE Gender Male Year Of Birth 1894 Age 17 Occupation OUT OF WORK LABOURER COLLIERY ABOVE GROUND Address 4 GUEST FOLD LEIGH Parish LEIGH County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Where Born COEDPOETH WALES Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 23198 Census Reference RG14PN23198 RG78PN1356 RD460 SD2 ED7 SN4 Registration District LEIGH Registration District Number 460 Sub District CULCHETH Enumeration District 7 SubDistrict Number 2
THOMAS PRYTHERCH BOARDER 1889 22 TAN Y VRON WALES Image Transcription BLODWEN WILLIMAS ROBERTS ILLEGITIMATE DAUGHTER 1908 3 PLATT BRIDGE LANC Image Transcription ELIZABETH ROBERTS HOUSEKEEPER 1874 37 MOUNT PLESANT MENI Image Transcription JOSEPH ROBERTS SON LABOURER COLLIERY ABOVE GROUND 1892 19 RHOSBE WALES Image Transcription THOMAS RD WILLIAMS HEAD COLLIER HEWER 1878 33 LLANBARIS CANAVON CARNARVON
Looks like Blodwin is possibly Thomas' daughter. Thomas is single and Elizabeth is a widow.
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28 Apr 2014 20:37 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name BLODWEN WILLIMAS Last Name ROBERTS Relationship ILLEGITIMATE DAUGHTER Condition SINGLE Gender Female Year Of Birth 1908 Age 3 Occupation - Address 4 GUEST FOLD LEIGH Parish LEIGH County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Where Born PLATT BRIDGE LANC Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 23198 Census Reference RG14PN23198 RG78PN1356 RD460 SD2 ED7 SN4 Registration District LEIGH Registration District Number 460 Sub District CULCHETH Enumeration District 7 SubDistrict Number 2 Folio - Page - Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Other Household Members First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age Where Born THOMAS PRYTHERCH BOARDER 1889 22 TAN Y VRON WALES EDWARD ROBERTS SON 1894 17 COEDPOETH WALES ELIZABETH ROBERTS HOUSEKEEPER 1874 37 MOUNT PLESANT MENI JOSEPH ROBERTS SON 1892 19 RHOSBE WALES THOMAS RD WILLIAMS HEAD 1878 33 LLANBARIS CANAVON CARNARVON
Years married says 19 with 3 children born alive to marriage and 3 still living. This has been crossed out. Elizabeth is firstly put as married but this is crossed out and noted as a Widow instead and housekeeper, whilst Thomas, recorded as the father not stepfather, is Single, married then Single again.
So as Thomas is recorded as aged 33, then presume he is not the father of 19 year old Joseph or 17 year old Edward. EDIT - no you said Edward's parents were Joseph Roberts and Elizabeth
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greyghost
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28 Apr 2014 20:42 |
Coedpoeth is a village and community within Wrexham County Borough in Wales .
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AnnCardiff
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28 Apr 2014 20:48 |
Name: Blodwen Willimas Roberts Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 3 Birthplace: Platt Bridge, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Leigh Sub-District: Culcheth Parish: Leigh County: Lancashire
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alviegal
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28 Apr 2014 20:55 |
Not finding a marriage for Elizabeth hart and Joseph Roberts?
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greyghost
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28 Apr 2014 21:50 |
Blodwyn's birth?
Births Mar 1908 (>99%) Williams Blodwyn Wigan 8c 100
1911 census shows her born Platt Bridge. They are living in the Leigh RD. Platt Bridge is halfway between Wigan and Leigh, about 4 miles to each.
The certificate would confirm her parents and hopefully Elizabeths maiden name. It would appear that Thomas Williams acknowledged being her father, but has Roberts as her surname on the census.
Like Alviegal, I'm not finding a marriage between an Elizabeth Hart and a Joseph Roberts.
And not finding Elizabeth, Joseph and Edward on the 1901 census.
Where have you got the information from that Edwards parents are Joseph Roberts and Elizabeth Hart?
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Dea
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29 Apr 2014 09:49 |
Could this be something to follow ??
Marriages 1884:
HART Elizabeth ROBERTS Thomas St. Thomas, Wigan Wigan & Leigh C11/4/309
Dea x
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ErikaH
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29 Apr 2014 10:21 |
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1907 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Blodwyn Hindley Wigan & Leigh JONES HNDL/169/124
Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%) Davies Richard Wrexham 11b 449 Jones Elizabeth Wrexham 11b 449 Powell Margaret Ellen Wrexham 11b 449 Roberts Joseph Wrexham 11b 449
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Dea
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29 Apr 2014 11:04 |
She could well have knocked a few years off her age Reggie as Thomas Williams is much younger than her.
However, your marriage in 1891 above to Elizabeth Jones looks much more likely :-)
I wonder where the name 'Hart' came from?
Dea x
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Cynthia
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30 Apr 2014 13:44 |
Here you are Dea.....
Marriage: 24 Aug 1884 St Thomas, Wigan, Lancashire, England Thomas Roberts - 35, Overlooker, Bachelor, Gt. George St. Elizabeth Hart - 33, Widow, Gt. George St. Groom's Father: Edward Roberts, deceased Bride's Father: Wilson Brown, deceased Witness: James Dawber, (X); Ellen Dawber, (X) Married by Banns by: David Price, Curate
I'll let Glyn know that he has replies to his query :-)
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greyghost
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30 Apr 2014 16:17 |
If Elizabeth Hart is correctly recorded as 33 in 1884, then surely she can't be the mother of Blodwyn b 1908, it would make her aged 56/7 at the birth.
It still doesn't explain either where Glyn has got Elizabeth Hart and JOSEPH Roberts as Edward's parents. Hopefully if he returns to the thread he might be able to tell us.
Do you have any certificates Glyn, if so can you tell us which and give all the information that is recorded on them please.
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Ellison
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30 Apr 2014 20:42 |
Hi All,
Thanks for all the info, i am a novice at this . from the info i have been given by family members, it is very little, Elizabeth Hart was born 1874 she would be 34 when Blodwin was born. All i have is Joseph Roberts & Elizabeth Hart, and their 3 children Joseph 1892, Edward my granddad 1894, and Blodwin 1908, who was born out of wedlock in Platt Bridge Wigan. Her siblings were born in Wales. I don't even know when my great granddad Joseph Roberts was born, and where he died. Did he die before Elizabeth came to the Wigan area, i honestly could not say, so i am in limbo. Anyway i would like to thank every body for their help so far.
Glyn Ellison
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ErikaH
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1 May 2014 08:23 |
Please READ the info provided.
Blodwyn's birth shows her mother to have had the maiden name JONES
Where did you get HART from? What PROOF is there?
Have you got EDWARD'S birth cert?
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greyghost
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1 May 2014 11:17 |
PM from Glyn, no answers to the questions raised.
Edward Roberts was my granddad on my mothers side, He Married my nan Lilly Barnes and they had 5 children 4 daughters & 1 son. All i know about Edward Roberts is he had a brother Joseph and a sister Blodwin. They lived in Westleigh, Leigh Lancashire.
Glyn, please keep replies on the thread so all helpers have the information, rather than send PM's.
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Mavis
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1 May 2014 12:26 |
If Elizabeth says she had been married 19 years on the 1911 census , although it was crossed out - that takes you back to the Elizabeth Jones and Joseph Roberts marriage Wrexham Jun Q 1891 near enough
well worth the £9-25 as its known that Elizabeth's maiden name was Jones
Mavis
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