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Correction By 14/9/1914, the Battle of the Marne was over, and the Germans retreated to the next river line, so Rich'd would have fallen at the Aisne.
The CWGC memorial is to 3740 missing officers and men of the BEF.

If you want to see what a d.cert for a MIA soldier looks like, there's a couple of examples at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&404
Follow the WW1 War returns link at the foot of the page. (These examples are of Scottish soldiers, but the English war return registers were the same.)

It says on his records missing presumed dead14/9/1914.

Maryb.

Thanks to Mary, I think we can conclude my cwgc hit refers to your Richard.

1st The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment was one of 4 battalions in the 2nd Infantry Brigade, which was part of the 1st division, along with the 1st & 3rd Bde's, 13 batteries of artilliary and other divisional troops. The 1st & 2nd div formed Haig's I Corps.

If you click on the memorial link on the cwgc hit I posted, it'll take you to:
http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/79100/LA%20FERTE-SOUS-JOUARRE%20MEMORIAL
and you'll see Rich'd fell at the Battle of the Marne, where the initial German advance was turned back from the gates of Paris - well, a bit of an exaggeration, but close enough that reinforcements arriving in Paris from other parts of France were rushed to the front in Paris's double-decker buses.

Richard enlisted 6/10/1902 in Southport for 8 years.
He had a very eventful life in the army,arrested for drunkenness on more than one occasion.
Treated in hospital for various ailments.

Maryb.

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1883 PINCHIN Alice Annie Pemberton Wigan & Leigh BAKER PEM/48/321
1886 PINCHIN Martha Pemberton Wigan & Leigh BAKER PEM/52/285
1888 PINCHIN May Wigan Wigan & Leigh BAKER WIG/167/257

Since Abram was in Hindley subdistrict, not Pemberton, pob=Abram seems unlikely.
Winstanley was in Pemberton subdistrict - they're on opposite sides of Wigan.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROBERTS Richard PINCHIN Annie Birkdale St Peter North Sefton C4/3/33

There is no R Roberts with dod=19/9/1914 on CWGC site but there is this guy:

ROBERTS, RICHARD
Rank:Private
Service No:6878
Date of Death:14/09/1914
Regiment/Service:The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment 1st Bn.
Panel Reference
Memorial LA FERTE-SOUS-JOUARRE MEMORIAL
Additional Information:

Also, there's a hit for this guy's service record on Ancestry.
The first page normally has pob, age, trade and residential addy, so this could identify him as your Richard (or not).

I think someone killed that early must be a regular army guy in service immediately pre-war.
When war broke out, they recalled reservists (i.e., recently demobbed srvicemen), but I don't think those guys got to France until much later in 1914.
To be eligible for the 1914 Star, one had to serve in France/Flanders on or before 22/11/1914 - only 1 Canadian unit qualified, viz # 2 Stationary Hospital.
The first Terrtorial Division did not go to France until 24/2/1915, and the first of Kitchener's New Army divisions crossed to France in early May 1915; similarly, ANZAC day is 25/4/1915.

Ah! Mmn spelled diferently:

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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ROBERTS Richard Pinchan Oldham 8d 1387

Another one in 1912:

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Roberts Annie Pinchan Oldham 8d 1348

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Possibly died:

Deaths Sep 1912 (>99%)
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ROBERTS Annie 0 Oldham 8d 718

There are no other Roberts births with mother's maiden name Pinchin after 1911 on FreeBMD.

I am due back tomorrow. Many thanks for all help and assistance today

Accordingly to the 1911 census there was 1 child born and 1 child living.....so it doesn't look like there were any other children born upto 1911

1911 census states. Married 7 years, 1 child born, 1 child living none had died.

Thank you all so much

I wonder if more children were born between Evelyn 1904 and Richard 1913 seems rather a big gap between 2 children...

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Richard Roberts




Name:
Richard Roberts

Gender:
Male

Age:
6

Birth Date:
abt 1914

Departure Date:
1 Apr 1920

Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England

Destination Port:
Adelaide, Australia

Ship Name:
Argyllshire

Search Ship Database:
Search the 'Argyllshire' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Shipping line:
Shire Line

Official Number:
129581

Master:
W J Cage

Annie and Evelyn are also on the passenger list

According to service records, the couple had a son Richard born Aug 13th 1913 in Oldham

Evelyn was born July 13th 1904 in Birkdale

This is the passenger record for the Evelyn who went to Australia travelling with Annie aged 37 and Richard aged 6:

Name: Evelyn ROBERTS
Date of departure: 1 April 1920
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Adelaide, Australia
Passenger destination: Adelaide, Australia
Date of Birth: 1905 (calculated from age)
Age: 15
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Sweet Packer

The tree is on Ancestry

There is also mention of a brother for Evelyn



Richard Roberts
Birth 13 Aug 1913 in Crompton, Lancaster
Death 18 Dec 1969 in Port Pirie, South Australia, Australia


Spouse : Annie Valera (Val) Robinson1915 – 2001
married 11th Sept 1933 Ceduna, South Australia

No not my tree was that found here or on ancestry. Many thanks

Here they are in 1911:
Street address:
109 Kew Rd Birkdale

Richard Roberts 27 b. Southport Bricklayers Labourer
Annie Roberts 27 b. Winstanley, Lancashire, England
Evlyn Roberts 6 b. Southport, Lancashire

Would that be Alice Annie Pinchin ?

From someone's tree, is it yours ?


Alice Annie Pinchin
Birth 1884 in Abram, Lancashire, England
Death - Australia

Spouse - Richard Roberts
Birth 1883 in Birkdale, Lancashire, England
Death 19 Sept 1914 in France

Please may i ask for some help in finding information on Richard Henry Roberts 1883 Birkdale, Southport, Merseyside, England he married Annie Pinchin in 1903 and had a daughter Evelyn in 1904. No more information on Evelyn is known. I am seeking if possible a death date for Richard, his wife ann and a possible marriage or death for Evelyn. Many thanks. I am only online for approximately 90 mins at local library. Much appreciated.