Would really appreciate any advice on my GGmothers family the only info I have is Elizabeth Martin born about 1870 in Ireland don't know where she had a sister Annie born about 1880 and their father was called Thomas. Unfortunately have hit a brick wall now and dont know where to go from here.
Regards Maria
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there is this
Name: Elizabeth Martin Gender: Female Christening Date: Christening Place: Birth Date: 21 Jun 1875 Birthplace: Ireland Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Martin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Bridget Quinn Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70159-7 System Origin: Ireland-EASy GS Film number: 255935 Reference ID: v 12-2 p 737
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It could possibly be this one but we need more info please. How do you connect to Elizabeth? Do you know who she married?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MWWN-GNM
1) >> Elizabeth MARTIN birth: 1873 death: 7 January 1957
spouse: Crawford birth: 1869 death:
2) Jane MARTIN birth: about 1876 death: 3) Agnes MARTIN birth: about 1878 death: 30 October 1935 4) >> Annie MARTIN birth: 1880 death: 5 December 1929
spouse: William MCMASTER birth: 1887 marriage: January 1909 death: 7 April 1962
5) Matthew MARTIN birth: about 1882 death: 6) Hugh MARTIN birth: about 1884 death: 7) William MARTIN birth: about 1886 death:
>>Thomas MARTIN birth: 1841 Cullybacky, Antrim, North Ireland death: 12 May 1926 more
spouse: Jane MCCLELLAND birth: 1845 death: 31 July 1917
Mathew MARTIN birth: 1807 Cullybacky, Antrim, North Ireland death: 1 October 1847 Craigs Parish, Antrim, North Ireland Elizabeth MAWHINNEY birth: 1809 Of Cullybacky, Antrim, North Ireland death: 11 February 1844 Cullybacky, Antrim, North Ireland
Thomas MARTIN birth: about 1773 death: 30 March 1847 Miss SMITH birth: about 1777 death:
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Have you tried to find her sister Annie in 1911 as that may give more detail to her place of birth?
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1911
Martin Thomas 85 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married - - 7 7 Martin Anne 73 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Sligo - Read and write Irish and English Married - 47 7 7 Martin Annie 32 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Sligo National School Teacher Read and write English Not Married
Same family in 1901:-
Martin Thomas 73 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married - Martin Anne 60 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer's Wife Read and write Irish and English Married - Martin John 24 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer's Son Read and write Irish and English Not Married - Martin Bridget 26 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer's Daughter Read and write Irish and English Not Married
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1901 for ref.
1901 census transcription details for: 33, Browning Street, Bootle Cum Linacre Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 3461 Folio: 126 Page: 9 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Bootle Parish: Bootle cum Linacre Enum. District: 21 Ecclesiastical District: St Leonards City/Municipal Borough: Address: 33, Browning Street, Bootle Cum Linacre County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BUTLER, Charles E Head Married M 36 1865 Dock Freight Clerk Glym Cardinham, Cornwall BUTLER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 31 1870 Ireland BUTLER, Charles T Son Single M 14 1887 Grocers Assistant Bootle, Lancashire BUTLER, William Son M 12 1889 Bootle, Lancashire BUTLER, Rosa Daughter F 2 1899 Bootle, Lancashire BUTLER, Josephine Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1901 Bootle, Lancashire MARTIN, Annie Sister-In-Law Single F 21 1880 Domestic Servant Ireland
and 1911. Charles had remarried 2 years previously.
1911 census transcription details for: 130 Sandy Road Seaforth Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN22305 RG78PN1318 RD455 SD1 ED6 SN331 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Crosby Parish: Seaforth Enum. District: 6 Address: 130 Sandy Road Seaforth County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BUTLER, Charles E Head Married M 46 1865 Crane Driver Cornwall Glynn Cardinham BUTLER, William Son Single M 32 1879 Chauffeur Lancs Bootle CROCOE, Sylvia Stepdaughter Single F 15 1896 Lancs Liverpool BUTLER, Rosa Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Lancs Bootle BUTLER, Josephine Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Lancs Bootle BUTLER, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Lancs Bootle BUTLER, Francis Son Single M 8 1903 School Lancs Bootle BUTLER, Dorothy Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Lancs Bootle
Parish: Cardinham Date: 06-Nov 1864 Name: Charles Edmund BUTLER Sex: son Father: Christopher Mother: Rosa Residence: Golden Lake Father's rank/profession: Gamekeeper
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Dear Catherine,
There is no address for the census record for Martins are they in Ireland or England?
If this is the right family you have broken years of dead lock. Does it give any details of marriage or births on these people. At the end of 1911 census does that suggest been married 47 years and had 7 children.
Can you suggest where to look now?
Best wishes Maria :-)
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Dear Alviegal,
They are the correct records for Charles and elizabeth, thanks for that I hope the records Catherine has posted are correct i would be interested about other siblings.
Best wishes Maria :-)
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The ones Catherine posted can be viewed at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
The 1911
Residents of a house 13 in Knocknashammer (Kilfre, Sligo) Show all information Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living Martin Thomas 85 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married - - 7 7 Martin Anne 73 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Sligo - Read and write Irish and English Married - 47 7 7 Martin Annie 32 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Sligo National School Teacher Read and write English Not Married - - - -
and 1901
Residents of a house 14 in Knocknashammer (Kilfree, Sligo) Show all information Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Martin Thomas 73 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married - Martin Anne 60 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer's Wife Read and write Irish and English Married - Martin John 24 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer's Son Read and write Irish and English Not Married - Martin Bridget 26 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Sligo Farmer's Daughter Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
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I would doubt that the family in Ireland is the correct one if the information given on the 1911 census is correct. They state 7 children born and 7 still living. Had your Elizabeth not died by 1911? Assume she had if her husband had remarried by 1911.
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Dear Rootgatherer,
Yes I see your point i was getting all excited i don't believe unless there was a mistake when filling in census. Also i was dubious about Annie's career on 1901 census in UK she was a domestic servant then on the above 1911 census she was a school teacher. I wonder if that would really happen.
Regards Maria :-)
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