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??? James Howard Ballard ??

(Also posted on your other thread re James Howard Ballard, as mentioned above by MarieCeleste - http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1338724)


1861 England Census about James Hore
Name: James Hore
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: 1841
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Chatham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Milton next Sittingbourne
Town: Milton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Milton
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Piece: 528
Folio: 130
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Baker 48
Harriet Baker 47
George Baker 13
William Baker 10
Elizabeth Baker 7
Rose Baker 5
Henry Pearce 2
James Hore 20 <<<<<<<<<<BASKETMAKER <<<<<<<<

I have not seem the site of Paul Ballard I will look it up. Thanks

Many thanks for the lookups, I now feel that both Joseph Ballard b 1823 and son James Ballard b 1840 were both in the Army and possibly be the 2 you found Alviegal.

Someone looked up a marriage for James born 1840 and it stated that the father was Joseph Ballard , I also thought James and Mary,were,his parents when I found the family on the 1841 census , I even wondered if Mary or Sarah sisters of Joseph could have been the mother of James

Wonder if you have seen this? It doesn't help with your query though.

http://paul-ballard.com/pedigrees/p82.htm#i3715

Looking at the info sent. Possibly the Joseph Ballard discharged in 1869 may be him because looking at the birth of children, the 1st one born in 1853, the 2nd born 1859 , 6 years difference, could that be the 6 yrs posting to the East Indies ???, then being discharged in 1869, he brought his family to England hence finding him on the 1871 census

John, relationships are not given on the 1841 census and it was only a suggestion that Joseph was his father.

It was also suggested on your other thread that James could be the illegitimate son of a daughter of James and Mary and that he may have used Joseph's name as that of his father to cover the illegitimacy. This is what Margee posted on the subject:

"It's possible that he could have been an illegitimate child of a daughter of James & Mary. If the daughter married he could have been brought up using his step-father's name and then reverted to his legal name at marriage. I've seen that happen more than once."

In fact, what Margee proposes was fairly commonplace so you must not discount that avenue either. Whilst the Mary Ann who was on the 1841 census may not have been the mother, how do you know there were not older sisters who had left home by 1841?

Thanks Alviegal, Could the J Ballard b 1840 be James Ballard stationed in Glasgow be the son of Joseph ???? Maybe

Obviously Mary Ann born 1831/33 is not the mother of James born 1840 son of Joseph. James born 1840 was married in 1864 Faversham kent so he was in England. His name was James Hoared Ballard, in later census he was listed as James Howard Ballard, I have tried all the combinations to try and find him in the 1851 and 1861 census hence I presumed he was in Ireland with Joseph his father

Thanks Everyone for helping, New Zealand possibly not feasible , Glasgow a possibility, and then he went to Ireland. I found it odd to see he was a Chelsea Pensioner

The first one was medically discharged in 1869 but no other personal info. He had served 6 years in the East Indies.

First name(s): Joseph
Last name: BALLARD
Calculated year of birth: ?
Parish of birth:
Town of birth:
County of birth:
Age at attestation:
Attestation date:
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Private
Discharge corps: 76th Foot
Discharge soldier number: 145
The National Archives reference: WO97


This also appears to be him as well though so not your man.

1861 census transcription details for: Infantry Barracks Gallowgate Glasgow,
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 644
Folio: 2
Page: 10
Reg. District: High Church
Sub District:
Parish: St Johns
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: St Johns
County: Lanarkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BALLARD, J Unmarried M 21 1840 Soldier
England

I thought this was sounding familiar

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1338724

The "son" you were referring to was the James Howard Ballard who married 1864 and it was suggested you buy his marriage certificate to check his father's occupation.

I'm afraid until you do that everything is really assumption.

Many thanks, this is where I got the info about wife and children all being born in Ireland, where can I find anything about Joseph during the missing 20 years, obviously he was still living in Ireland in 1866 when his son John W Ballard was born.

There are these 2 in 1861.

1861 Worldwide Army Index
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First Name(s):Joseph

Last Name:Ballard

Number:145

Rank:Private

Unit:76th Foot

Regiment Stationed at:Glasgow

National Archives reference:WO12 / 8237




1861 Worldwide Army Index
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First Name(s):Joseph

Last Name:Ballard

Number:434

Rank:Private

Unit:57th Foot (West Middlesex)

Regiment Stationed at:New Plymouth New Zealand

National Archives reference:WO12 / 6685

Hello John, the army service records as maintained by the Chelsea pensioners are on FindMyPast but I'm not seeing any matches for him.

Can't help with the Chelsea Pensioner query, but Cork is most likely place for a marriage - all children born there:

1881 England Census
Name: Mary A. Ballard
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Joseph Ballard
Gender: Female
Where born: Cork, Ireland
Civil Parish: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 28 Fisher Street
Marital Status: Married

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 15

Joseph Ballard 58
Mary A. Ballard 48
Caroline Ballard 21
Sarah Ballard 19
John Ballard 15

For ref.

1871 census transcription details for: Pemberton Terrace, Newington
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 983
Folio: 7
Page: 5
Reg. District: Milton
Sub District: Milton
Parish: Newington
Enum. District: 22
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Pemberton Terrace, Newington
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BALLARD, Joseph Head M 48 1823 Basket Maker and Chelsea Pensioner Ospringe Kent
BALLARD, Mary Wife F 40 1831 Cork Ireland
BALLARD, Mary A Daughter F 18 1853 Casele Bure Ireland
BALLARD, Caroline Daughter F 12 1859 Cork Ireland
BALLARD, Sarah Daughter F 9 1862 Cork Ireland
BALLARD, John W Son M 5 1866 Cork Ireland

Could anyone help me please. Joseph Ballard b 1823 living in Chatham Kent in 1841 and unable to find him until 1871 living in Newington Kent with a wife and family all born in Ireland. It states he was a Basket Maker and Chelsea Pensioner, could that mean he was in the Army during his 20 years absence.How can I find out about him being Chelsea a Pensioner. How do I find a marriage and census in Ireland. Apparently he had a son James in Chatham when he was 18 but I found no marriage for him and yet again I was unable to find son James b 1840 Chatham in census 1851 and 1861, if Joseph had no wife could he have taken a child to Ireland if he was in the Armed a Forces. Any ideas will be appreciated. Thanks