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Thank you for your follow up re. Alice and Rosa Goldsmith. I am wondering if in fact they were actually cousins rather than sisters (as my mother-in-law thought).
I appreciate your help.
Valerie :-S

I think as Potty says your best bet is to get a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Alice as this will give info re her father and is really, at the moment, the only piece of concrete evidence that you have.

The family is on the 1911 (except for Jane) - no Rosa

The 1899 Alice Goldsmith in 1901:
Alice Goldsmith
Age:2
Estimated birth year:abt 1899
Relation to Head:Daughter
Gender:Female
Father:James T Goldsmith
Mother:Jane F Goldsmith
Birth Place:Kensington, London, England
Civil Parish:Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch Notting Hill

James T Goldsmith 32
Jane F Goldsmith 31
John W Goldsmith 7
Charles A Goldsmith 5
Alice Goldsmith

If the above is the Alice we are looking for here is the baptism

Alice Ethel Amelia Goldsmith
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Feb 1899
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1899
Father's Name: James Thomas Goldsmith occ Painter
Mother's name: Jane Geneva Goldsmith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill Christ Church
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

Alice's marriage record - the cert will give you her age (although it may just say of full age, ie over 21) and her father's name and occupation:

Marriages Dec 1923 (>99%)
Goldsmith Alice E A Cotton Ware 3a 1485

Possible birth of Alice?

Births Mar 1899
Goldsmith Alice Ethel A Kensington 1a 127

Not Suffolk though

So this would be Alice's marriage and note she has other first names

Marriages Dec 1923
Cotton Geoffrey J Goldsmith Ware 3a 1485
Goldsmith Alice E A Cotton Ware 3a 1485

I am sorry my information is so sketchy but my mother-in-law lives in a nursing home and told me her mother was Alice Goldsmith who married Geoffrey John Cotton. Alice had a sister Rosa but couldn't remember who she married. She said they came from Suffolk : believed Halesworth.
Thank you for your research - I believe this to be the correct family, however, as you say there is no mention of an Alice.
Kind regards
Valerie

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Name: GOLDSMITH, William

Registration district: [?] Woodbridge

County: Suffolk

Year of registration: 1848

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 12

Page no: [?] 663
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Name: BOOTMAN, Eliza

Registration district: Woodbridge

County: Suffolk

Year of registration: 1848

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912

Volume no: 12

Page no: 663

1881
GOLDSMITH, William Head Married M 57 1824 Farm Bailiff
Melton, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 52 1829
Horham, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, George Son Single M 32 1849 Merchants Porter
Bredfield, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Edward Son Single M 31 1850 Ag Lab
Bredfield, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Henry Son Single M 23 1858 Ag Lab
Bredfield, Suffolk VIEW

Piece: 1880

Folio: 87

Page: 3

Registration District: Woodbridge

Civil Parish: Bredfield

Municipal Borough:

Address: To Dallinghoo, Bye Road, Bredfield

County: Suffolk

No more until some answers are forthcoming.................

If 1901 is the right man................

1851 census

Person: GOLDSMITH, William Address: Seammens Road, Bredfield

GOLDSMITH, William Head Married M 28 1823 Farm Labourer
Melton, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 26 1825
Horham, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, George Son M 3 1848
Bredfield, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Edward Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851
Bredfield, Suffolk

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1861 census


Person: GOLDSMITH, William Address: Seammens Road, Bredfield


GOLDSMITH, William Head Married M 38 1823 Agricultural Labourer
Melton, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 36 1825
Horham, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, George Son M 12 1849
Bredfield, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Edward Son M 10 1851
Bredfield, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Henry Wm Son M 3 1858
Bredfield, Suffolk

Who did ALICE marry?

Is THIS Rosa?


Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Goldsmith Rosa Ellen Ipswich 4a 887

NO Alice......................

1911 census

Person: GOLDSMITH, Rosa Address: 71 Rectory Road Ipswich

GOLDSMITH, Charles Head Married M 50 1861 Railway Engine Driver Coddenham Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Leah Wife Married9 years F 46 1865 Framlington Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, Rosa Daughter Single F 18 1893 Dressmaker Ipswich Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, George Nephew Single M 7 1904 School Coddenham Suffolk

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Goldsmith William 81 Woodbridge 4a 628

There is NO record in either 1901 or 1911 of an Alice born c1898 anywhere in Suffolk

Can you check your info..............please.

Is THIS William?

1901 census


Person: GOLDSMITH, William Address: St Andrews Church, Bredfield

GOLDSMITH, William Head Widower M 76 1825 Gardener
Melton, Suffolk VIEW
GOLDSMITH, George Son Single M 52 1849 Horseman On Farm
Bredfield, Suffolk

As you know when Rosa died, you MUST know what her surname was at the time!

Look for the info on freebmd..............easy site to use

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

make yourself familiar with it........................


Did William REALLY father children when he was in his seventies???????

I am trying to find the wife of William Goldsmith 1824-1905 and information upon the daughter Rosa 1894 - 1953 and who she married. Rosa also had a sister called Alice 1898-1958 who is the Great Grandmother to my husband. This family came from Halesworth Suffolk.