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One of the possible reasons for stating 'full age' is that parental/guardian permission for the marriage was not required.

I wonder if Sarah was actually not dead when Maria and Mark got together??


That could account for the fact that they did not marry until 1875.


I note that the 1851 Census says Mark was 22 ............ which means that he was only 17 when he married Sarah in 1846, stating that he was of Full Age (which means over 21).

to help us ......


Information from the marriage certificate .........

Sarah Wink
of Full age ................... ie, over 21
Father name and occupation:- Thomas Wink, Smith
Address:- Brick Lane (BUT that is the same address as Mark)

Can I please ask for more help, this time with Sarah Wink who I know nothing about apart from she married my gr gr grandad Mark Rollinson in 1846.

When Mark married Maria Grew in February 1875 he stated he was a widow.

Lesley x

Thank you for the explanation SylviaInCanada.

Lesley x

Lesley


paid witnesses were very common in those days.

It always pays to check other marriages on the same page of the Register.


the reason is very simple ........................ most people only got 1 or 2 days a year off work, Christmas Day being one of them.

It was often very difficult to arrange a marriage and have family or friends attend.


so there were people, usually men, attached to the church who would witness a marriage for a few pennies.

You will often find that the men will be church officers ...... for example, parish warden ................... or they might be men of the neighbourhood. Most of them do seem to be able to at least sign their names.

Thank you for your help.

In a million years I would never have given it a thought that two of the witnesses would have paid for the job.

Lesley x

(hadn't looked at next image, sorry folks!)

Chris :)

MaureeninNY,
Yes…Those two chaps witnessed many marriages.
As to Mary Ann Chapman. Clearly written – by the Churchman. After the surname, and quite feint “her X mark”.

Sorry.
Don't understand the point of looking at/for witnesses who are NOT related.

Mary Ann?? maybe...........
..............................................
Moxx

1851
PITT, William Head Married M 33 1818 Smith
Birmingham
PITT, Caroline Wife Married F 28 1823 Wife Of Smith
Middlesex
PITT, Sophia Daughter F 9 1842
Middlesex
PITT, Henry Son M 7 1844
Middlesex
PITT, Caroline Daughter F 5 1846
Middlesex
PITT, Emily Daughter F 3 1848
Middlesex
PITT, William Son M 1 1850
Middlesex
Piece: 1508
Folio: 18
Page: 29
Registration District: St Giles in the Fields & St George Bloomsbury
Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields
Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 10, Great Earl Street, St Giles In The Fields, London, Finsbury
County: Middlesex

(probably not!, but took a guess at above, witness)

Chris :)

I think witness William's surname is Pratt.

Definitely Mary Ann Chapman.

Edw. C. Tracey ????

Just my thoughts......

Anyone check the marriages post and prior? I think the gents who signed are your standard "pay to witness".

Cripes..not even certain about Mary Ann? (Chesmore/man).

Maureen

Possible birth/baptism records, with father = John?
RE: 1841 census. Both Walsall and Coseley are only a few miles from Birmingham.

father: John Rollason
mother: Elizabeth
Name Mark Rollason
Gender Male
Christening Date 21 Jun 1826
Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Rollason
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01030-4
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 497336, 497337, 497338, 497339, 497340
Reference ID


father: John Rolleson
mother: Elizabeth
Name Mark Rolleson
Gender Male
Christening Date 10 Oct 1830
Christening Place COSELEY IN SEDGLEY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date 18 Jun 1826
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Rolleson
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C03786-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 426530
Reference ID

Could the other witness be Edward Queen??

Andy

Inky1 on most of the census Mark states he was born 1827.

Lesley x

Yes the Church image shows Wink. Ancestry also has Wink as the transcription of the GRO record. The GRO image is quite clear.

As to the other witnesses:-
Edward (Edwd ?) somebody
William somebody - possibly Pric...tt (Looks like 2 x t's at the end of the name)

The marriage record shows Mark as 'of full age' ie over 21yrs. But per the 1851 details you provide, he was born 1829. Thus only 17 or 18 when he married?

Thank you ArgyllGran

Can anyone make out what it says above William P's name please

Lesley x

Here's that 1841 from Ancestry - an Ancestry user has added a note to say the surname is Rollinson:


1841 England Census about Mark Rollason
Name: Mark Rollason
[Mark Rollinson]
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: St Thomas
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1147
Book: 9
Folio: 47
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cale 23
Mary Cale 25
Mark Rollason 14