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Could some kind person look at and help with the names of a marriage for me please.

Mark Rollinson married Sarah Wink...do you agree that is says Wink?

2nd November 1846 Finsbury St Luke Islington

Also I'm struggling to read the witnesses names the only one I can read is Mary Ann Chapman.

I have everything (I think) on Mark post 1851 but would be grateful for any help with his birth or the 1841 census

1851 census shows Mark with his new partner Maria Grew they married in 1875

BROCKHURST, Thomas Head Married M 34 1817 Broker Morvern Hill, Worcestershire VIEW
BROCKHURST, Louisi Wife Married F 32 1819
Deaf Buckinghamshire VIEW
ROWLINSON, Mark Visitor Married M 22 1829 Smith Journeyman Birmingham VIEW
ROWLINSON, Maria Wife Married F 19 1832 Bethnal Green, Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 1521

Folio: 479

Page: 5

Registration District: Saint Luke

Civil Parish: Saint Luke

Municipal Borough: Finsbury

Address: 13, Orchard Street, Saint Luke, Finsbury

County: Middlesex

Lesley x

Looks like Wink to me. One witness could be William Purcell or something similar.

Andy

1841 ???
Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
CALE, James M 23 1818 Warwickshire VIEW
CALE, Mary F 25 1816 Warwickshire VIEW
>>>>>>ROLLASON, Mark M 14 1827 Warwickshire VIEW Labourer
Piece: 1147
Book/Folio: 9/46
Page: 9
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: St Thomas

Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: Colmore St, Great, St Thomas, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire


sarahs surname is wink.....having trouble with the witness'

regards vera

Thank you Andy and Vera

Lesley x

Yes, I think it quite clearly says Wink.
The other witness's first name is William. His surname begins with P and ends in T, or possibly TT. [EDIT: Or LL, yes, Andy.]
Don't know about the middle of the name, though - it's quite faint

Here's that 1841 from Ancestry - an Ancestry user has added a note to say the surname is Rollinson:


1841 England Census about Mark Rollason
Name: Mark Rollason
[Mark Rollinson]
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: St Thomas
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1147
Book: 9
Folio: 47
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cale 23
Mary Cale 25
Mark Rollason 14

Thank you ArgyllGran

Can anyone make out what it says above William P's name please

Lesley x

Yes the Church image shows Wink. Ancestry also has Wink as the transcription of the GRO record. The GRO image is quite clear.

As to the other witnesses:-
Edward (Edwd ?) somebody
William somebody - possibly Pric...tt (Looks like 2 x t's at the end of the name)

The marriage record shows Mark as 'of full age' ie over 21yrs. But per the 1851 details you provide, he was born 1829. Thus only 17 or 18 when he married?

Inky1 on most of the census Mark states he was born 1827.

Lesley x

Could the other witness be Edward Queen??

Andy

Possible birth/baptism records, with father = John?
RE: 1841 census. Both Walsall and Coseley are only a few miles from Birmingham.

father: John Rollason
mother: Elizabeth
Name Mark Rollason
Gender Male
Christening Date 21 Jun 1826
Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Rollason
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01030-4
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 497336, 497337, 497338, 497339, 497340
Reference ID


father: John Rolleson
mother: Elizabeth
Name Mark Rolleson
Gender Male
Christening Date 10 Oct 1830
Christening Place COSELEY IN SEDGLEY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date 18 Jun 1826
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Rolleson
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C03786-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 426530
Reference ID

Just my thoughts......

Anyone check the marriages post and prior? I think the gents who signed are your standard "pay to witness".

Cripes..not even certain about Mary Ann? (Chesmore/man).

Maureen

Definitely Mary Ann Chapman.

Edw. C. Tracey ????

I think witness William's surname is Pratt.

1851
PITT, William Head Married M 33 1818 Smith
Birmingham
PITT, Caroline Wife Married F 28 1823 Wife Of Smith
Middlesex
PITT, Sophia Daughter F 9 1842
Middlesex
PITT, Henry Son M 7 1844
Middlesex
PITT, Caroline Daughter F 5 1846
Middlesex
PITT, Emily Daughter F 3 1848
Middlesex
PITT, William Son M 1 1850
Middlesex
Piece: 1508
Folio: 18
Page: 29
Registration District: St Giles in the Fields & St George Bloomsbury
Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields
Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 10, Great Earl Street, St Giles In The Fields, London, Finsbury
County: Middlesex

(probably not!, but took a guess at above, witness)

Chris :)

Sorry.
Don't understand the point of looking at/for witnesses who are NOT related.

Mary Ann?? maybe...........
..............................................
Moxx

MaureeninNY,
Yes…Those two chaps witnessed many marriages.
As to Mary Ann Chapman. Clearly written – by the Churchman. After the surname, and quite feint “her X mark”.

(hadn't looked at next image, sorry folks!)

Chris :)

Thank you for your help.

In a million years I would never have given it a thought that two of the witnesses would have paid for the job.

Lesley x

Lesley


paid witnesses were very common in those days.

It always pays to check other marriages on the same page of the Register.


the reason is very simple ........................ most people only got 1 or 2 days a year off work, Christmas Day being one of them.

It was often very difficult to arrange a marriage and have family or friends attend.


so there were people, usually men, attached to the church who would witness a marriage for a few pennies.

You will often find that the men will be church officers ...... for example, parish warden ................... or they might be men of the neighbourhood. Most of them do seem to be able to at least sign their names.