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Ahh .. looks like I have a few dates to change.. thanks again patchem :)

This might be Rose:

Births Dec 1891
Greenhead Rose Camberwell 1d 960

Rose Goodwin
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1891
Date of Registration: Dec 1969
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5a
Page: 1628

The age shown on census is what they actually are at the time of the census. As most people have birthdays after the census is taken then the estimated birth year is usually wrong.

e.g. born Sep 1899, so 1 when census taken, so estimated birth year of 1900.

Wow .. thanks Dea & patchem..

I never thought to look at the ticket numbers.. so the plot thickens.. Just who was this 17 yer old Albert on the ship ?

I know that James did finish up in Australia he married a Florence Craft and had 5 daughters before dieing in Brisbane in 1964..

I guess I will need to keep chipping away at it until I stumble onto another tree that links up.

One question though.. on the birth and christening dates that you provided are all in 1896.. when on the census it shows that he was born in 1897 ... cant have a christening before a birth ¿ Or am I missing something ?

I am the last male on my particular line and would be interesting to know if I had any other living relatives in Australia ..

Thank you both so much for all your work..

Steve

With regard to John Thomas - This appears to be his marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Thomas Goodwin
Name: John Thomas Goodwin - Wood Machinist.
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Rose Greenhead
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jun 1914
Parish: North Peckham All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Goodwin - Bricklayer
Spouse Father: Frederick Greenhead - Bricklayer
Register Type: Parish Register

Dea x

You say you cannot find his birth reg. - I would think there is a good chance that this is it:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ernest Goodwin
Name: Ernest Goodwin
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 909

Middle names were very often added at the baptism stage.

Dea x

Patchem - I too am struggling with the new Ancestry - may have to think about whether I renew again this year but I have until June to decide.

I DON'T like it !!! ;-) :-(

Dea x

I can't see that he would have been a twin as this is his christening and if there was a twin, surely the other twin would have been baptised at the same time? (Unless, of course, the other twin had died?)

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Ernest Albert Goodwin
Name: Ernest Albert Goodwin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1896
Father's Name: William Goodwin
Mother's name: Annie Goodwin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Peckham St Chrysostom
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

The address is 16 Garsdale Road so this is the family on 1901:

1901 Census transcription details for: 16, Garsdale Road, Camberwell

National Archive Reference:
RG number RG13
Piece: 509
Folio: 88
Page: 26
Reg. District: Camberwell
Sub District: Peckham
Parish: Camberwell
Enum. District: 33
Ecclesiastical District: St Chrysostom
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 16, Garsdale Road, Camberwell
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GOODWIN, William Head Married M 46 1855 Bricklayers Labourer
Whitechapel, London
GOODWIN, Anna F Wife Married F 41 1860
St Georges E, London
GOODWIN, Elizabeth R Daughter Single F 20 1881 Shirt Dresser
Bromley by Bow, London
GOODWIN, Annie F Daughter Single F 16 1885 Shirt Dresser
St Georges E, London
GOODWIN, Robt W Son M 12 1889
Camberwell, London
GOODWIN, John T Son M 9 1892
Camberwell, London
GOODWIN, James M 7 1894
Camberwell, London
GOODWIN, Ernest A M 4 1897
Camberwell, London
GOODWIN, May V F 2 1899
Camberwell, London
JAMES, Fredrick R H Head Married M 31 1870 Bricklayers Labourer
Lambeth, London
JAMES, Caroline W Wife Married F 30 1871
Deptford, London
JAMES, Frederick R H Son M 5 1896
Peckham, London
JAMES, William H Son M 3 1898
Peckham, London
JAMES, Albert E Son M 0 1901
Peckham, London

Dea x

Thanks, Dea.

The image would not show on second search attempt.

I obviously stuck to the old ancestry searches for too many years.

I don't thing it is the same person recorded twice Patchem as they have different ticket numbers and different occupations.

Dea x

In the 1911 census .. it says that there was 11 children born and 1 deceased .. but I have that down to a sister well before Ernest came along.. Jane 1879 -1881 and I can account for all the other siblings ..

Did he have an older brother that died and he took the same name?
So not a twin, but linked to another?

?
Ernest Albert Goodwin
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1897
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 251

My mother (still with us) feels sure that my Grandfather was a twin...but I have never found any record of that (besides it would kill my tree) .. although I have never been able to find an actual birth certificate for him .. Albert was my grandfathers middle name.. coincidence ?

I thought he had been recorded twice, once as Albt and once as Ernest?

Added:
But I am still struggling with the 'new' ancestry.

The other Goodwin travelling would seem to be an Albert who was a farm hand and also aged 17. It does not look as if they are brothers ??

Dea x

Have you looked to see if any of your family are in trees on here, and tried to contact the tree owners?

My grandfather Ernest Albert Goodwin 1897 -1964 came to Australia ( Melbourne ) in 1914 aboard the SS Norsman that left London in January of that year. The ships passenger list shows him on there along with his future wife Emily Blades 1893-1965 who he apparently met on the ship.

Now for the mysteries .. Family legend say's that he was not traveling alone and one of his brothers was also aboard the ship (indeed there is another Goodwin whose first name I cant read is on the passenger list) and apparently there was an altercation with the affections of young Emily and the brothers had a falling out and never spoke again!

MY questions are.. who was this other Goodwin on board and where did he go from there ?

I have the 1911 census that shows my grandfather Ernest Albert aged 14 and two brothers still in the house .. James 1893-1964 who died in Brisbane Australia (most likely candidate) and John Thomas1892 - ? Head of the house was William Goodwin 1856 - 1913 wife was Annie Francis Goodwin 1859 - 1952.

Would be nice to know for sure what brother it was.

I would like to know what became of John Thomas Goodwin as well.. as I dont seem to be able to find anything about him.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Steve