Find Ancestors

Mike.
Think you are probably right about the name. I had a Welsh friend whose surname was John. It´s very much a Midlands habit to stick an "s" on the end of a surname. My gran used to drive my mother mad doing it.
Marie Celeste
Thanks so much for your hard work. What you have given me sounds exactly right.

Regards Marion
PS Sorry about the mistake over Mary Ann´s age on her marriage cert.
Yet another senior moment.......all too frquent these days.
Thanks to everyone.

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record


Grooms Last Name: John
Grooms First Name: Morgan
Grooms Fathers First Name: Llewellyn
Grooms Fathers Last Name: John
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age: Full

Brides Last Name: McCulla
Brides First Name: Mary Anne
Brides Fathers First Name: James
Brides Fathers Last Name: McCulla
Brides Parish:
Brides Age: Full

County: Monmouthshire
Place / Parish: Newport, St Woolos
Marriage Year: 1848
Marriage Month: Sep
Marriage Day: 4
Page: 73

Both of Newport and neither previously married.

Morgan was a shoemaker and his father a labourer.

James McCulla was a labourer.

Witnesses look like John Coghlan and Mary Ryan.

Surnames transcribed as JOHN both on the marriage cert and census so perhaps Mary Ann was really John not Johns


Marriages Sep 1848

Bell William Newport M 26 124
Hopkins Margaret Newport M 26 124
John Morgan Newport M 26 124
Jones Amy Newport M 26 124
JONES Elizabeth Newport M 26 124
Llewellin Nathaniel Newport M. 26 124
LLEWELLYN Nathanael Newport M 26 124
McCulla Mary Ann Newport M 26 124
Rees William Newport M 26 124



1861

Mary A John
Age:6
Estimated birth year:abt 1855
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Morgan John
Mother's name:Mary A John

Where born:Myrthyr Tydville <<<<<<<<<<


Buy the birth cert to be sure of the facts


Births Sep 1854
John Mary Ann - Merthyr T 11a 318

Please check the marriage cert..............your statement that she was 'full age' does NOT match the info posted by safc

I must be missing something - which bride was full age on her marriage? Not Mary Ann because she was 18.

safc & Marie Celeste.
Thank you both.
Have the marriage detais, thanks.
1861 census looks a definite possibility
Will follow it up.

Rushing off now as weekend visitors have just arrived.

Not unusual for a bride to lie about her age on a marriage cert.
Maybe this is what he trees have based their info on when calculating her DOB.

Full age Reggie.
Have looked for her baptism too.
She says she was born in Wednesbury, but can´t find any evidence of that. I think possibly she lived in Wednesbury as a small child & has assumed that was where she was born.
I certainly never trust Ancestry trees & there seems no point in contacting the tree owners as both trees seem to have been dormant for over a year.
Suspect that Mcculla is not the correct spelling & that Morgan Johns may have been transcribed as John Morgan, but have had no luck searching that.
On Mary Ann John´s marriage details it doesn´t say that Morgan is deceased, but that´s really nothing to go by in my experience.

The reference to the marriage of Morgan Johns on the tree has a "c" before it ..(i.e. Approx 1850 )

Looks very likely in 1861:

JOHN, Morgan Head Married M 36 1825 Boot And Shoe Maker Glamorganshire
JOHN, Mary A Wife Married F 30 1831 Merthyr Tydfil
JOHN, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 Merthyr Tydfil
JOHN, Mary A Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Merthyr Tydfil
JOHN, Amelia Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859 Merthyr Tydfil

Piece: 4009 Folio: 63 Page: 57
Registration District: Pontypool
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Municipal Borough: Monmouth

Address: Bark Houses, Upper Club Row, Trevethin, Monmouth County: Monmouthshire

Mary Ann Johns, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: George Davis
Birth Date: 1852
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Johns
Spouse's Birth Date: 1855
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 18
Event Date: 28 Apr 1873
Event Place: All Saints, Burmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: George Davis
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Morgan Johns
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00806-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1520009
Reference ID: 356, p 178, it 2

The marriage in 1848 does not show an 's' on the surname.

Ancestry trees are notoriously unreliable - better to trust your own research..unless, of course, the person compiling the tree demonstrates that there is documentary evidence of his/her entries

How old was the bride in 1873?

Who witnessed the marriage?

Have you looked for birth/baptism info for her?

What birthplace does it give for her on census records?

Mary Ann Johns married George Davis in Birmingham 1873. Her father is given as Morgan Johns, a bootmaker.
2 treeson Ancestry have her b Wednesbury, Staff in 1855 & her parents as Morgan Johns & Mary Ann Mcculla, married Wednesbury 1850.
Can´t see any evidence for this.
have found a marriage for Morgan & Mary Ann in Newport, monmouthshire in 1848.but can´t find any other reference to either of them in England or Wales, nor any proof that they are Mary Ann John´s parents.
Can anyone see them anywhere please?