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Parents /John- Thomas and Isabella -Too many matches - Help please :-( :-( :-(

Hello "Unknown" - welcome to the boards.

Could you be a bit more specific about what your query actually is? What you've posted doesn't make sense.

What do you actually know as facts and what are you trying to find out?

John Yates married 1851 to Hannah Whiteside. John's parents Thomas and Isabella. Confusion about which Thomas and Isabella, when they were married and children including John. Afraid of getting the wrong Family Line.
Thomas in 1851- Labourer but I have got a line of children with Thomas as Grocer.

I am going to have to start again on this section. Any ideas will be happily received

:-) :-) :-) :-)

Tree on ancestry says this is john Yates who married Hannah Whitesise

Household transcription
1851 census

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Person: YATES, John
Address: 24, Park Street, Preston

YATES, Thomas Head Married M 53 1798 Labourer Day
Clayton, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, Margaret Wife Married F 50 1801 Housekeeper
Leyland, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, Dinah Daughter Unmarried F 27 1824 Weaver
Whittle, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, John Son Unmarried M 23 1828 Labourer
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, Ruth Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Weaver
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Hand Loom Weaver
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, Roseana Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Hand Loom Weaver
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, William Son Unmarried M 11 1840 Scholar
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, Thomas Son Unmarried M 6 1845 Scholar
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
YATES, William Lodger Unmarried M 8 1843 Scholar
Preston, Lancashire VIEW

This is the marriage they have for the parents

Parish Records Collection marriage
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Year:1820
Supplied Surname:SMITH
Surname:SMITH
Full First name:Margaret
Supplied First Name:Mgt
Spouse Surname:YATES
Spouse Full First name:Thomas
Spouse First Name:Tho
Place:LEYLAND
County:Lancashire
Record source:Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1840
Data provider:Society of Genealogists

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about John Yates

Name:
John Yates
Gender:
Male
Baptism Date:
21 Dec 1827
Baptism Place:
Preston, Lancashire, England
Father:
Thomas Yates >>>Labourer
Mother:
Margaret
FHL Film Number:
1502463
Reference ID:
yr 1825-1829 p 173

Marriage 22 sept 1851 St John Preston

John Yates 21 Labourer Batchelor park street

Hannah Whiteside Weaver spinster Harrington st

Grooms father Thomas Yates Labourer

Brides Father Thomas Whiteside Gardener

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

As the address on the marriage cert is the same as where he was in the 1851 census I would say the above is correct...mother Margaret not Isabella

1841 England Census Transcription
Street BROOK STREET
Parish PRESTON
City PRESTON
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
House Number -
House Name -
Registration District PRESTON
Town PRESTON
Archive Reference HO107 Piece Number 499 Book 5 Folio 5 Page 2

THOS WHITESIDE 1801 40 Gardener
SARAH WHITESIDE 1806 35
ALICE WHITESIDE 1824 17 Flax Spreader
SARAH WHITESIDE 1828 13 Cotton Drawer
HANNAH WHITESIDE 1830 11
RICHARD WHITESIDE 1832 9
ELLEN WHITESIDE 1836 5
NANCY JANE WHITESIDE 1838 3
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MARY SPENCER 1818 23 Dress Maker
JOHN SPENCER 1825 16 Spindle & Fly Maker Ap

Street BROOK STREET
Archive Reference HO107 Piece Number 499 Book 5 Folio 5 Page 2-3

RICHD WHITESIDE 1806 35 Mechanic
BETTY WHITESIDE 1806 35
WILLIAM WHITESIDE 1826 15 Mechanic Ap
MARY WHITESIDE 1827 14
ELLEN WHITESIDE 1829 12
ELIZTH WHITESIDE 1834 7
NANCY WHITESIDE 1836 5
AGNES WHITESIDE 1838 3
ROBERT WHITESIDE 1841 0[1m]

Looks like Thos & Richd were bros

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1837 WHITESIDE Nancy Jane Preston Preston SPENCER PRES/1/67
1839 WHITESIDE Ann Preston Preston SPENCER PRES/7/73
1840 WHITESIDE Thomas Preston Preston SPENCER PRES/11/51
1843 WHITESIDE Frances Preston Preston SPENCER PRES/24/8

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1841 WHITESIDE Robert Preston Preston SALMON PRES/15/56
1844 WHITESIDE Jane Preston Preston SALMON PRES/26/25
1847 WHITESIDE Sarah Preston Preston SALMON PRES/40/4


Marriage: 22 Sep 1851 St John, Preston, Lancs.
John Yates - (X), 21, Laborer, Bachelor, Park St.
Hannah Whiteside - (X), 21, Weaver, Spinster, Harrington St.
Groom's Father: Thomas Yates, Laborer
Bride's Father: Thomas Whiteside, Gardener
Witness: Joseph Malton; Betsy Fazakerley, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Owen Parr Vicar
Register: Marriages 1851 - 1852, Page 132, Entry 263
Source: LDS Film 93995

1861 England Census Transcription
Street 11 BROOK STREET
County Lancashire
Parish PRESTON
City PRESTON
Town PRESTON
Ecclesiastical District ST PETERS
Parliamentary Borough PRESTON
Enumeration District 33
Registration District PRESTON
Archive Reference RG09 Piece Number 3133 Folio 37 Page 66

JOHN YATES 1829 32 PRESTON HEAD M Bricklayer
HANNAH YATES 1830 31 PRESTON WIFE M
RICHARD YATES 1855 6 PRESTON SON Scholar
WM YATES 1857 4 PRESTON SON
JAMES YATES 1859 2 MILLBROOK SON
JOHN YATES 1861 0 PRESTON SON

Street 9 BROOK STREET

ELISABETH MILESIDE 1805 56 BLACKBURN HEAD W House Keeper
MARG[MAY] MILESIDE 1827 34 PRESTON DAUGHTER U Cotton Winder
NANCY MILESIDE 1836 25 PRESTON DAUGHTER U Warper
AGNES MILESIDE 1839 22 PRESTON DAUGHTER U Cotton Weaver
ROBERT MILESIDE 1833 28 PRESTON SON U Footman
SARAH MILESIDE 1847 14 PRESTON DAUGHTER U Cotton Winder
ANN CHARLEY 1834 27 PRESTON BOARDER W Cotton Weaver
[I read surname as Whiteside; Robt's a=28, not 18]



Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1852 YATES Alice Preston Preston WHITESIDE PRES/68/4
1854 YATES Richard Preston Preston WHITESIDE PRES/81/27
1856 YATES William Preston Preston WHITESIDE PRES/94/63
1860 YATES John Preston Preston WHITESIDE PRES/120/10

Maybe
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1855
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
YATES Alice 3 Preston Preston PRES/67/15

EDIT ADDED 1861 ADDY

Not sure about that 1820 marriage of Thomas to Margaret Smith as that Thomas was a weaver???

Marriage: 10 Jul 1820 St Andrew, Leyland, Lancashire, England
Thomas Yates - Weaver, Bachelor, Leyland
Margaret Smith - (X), Spinster, Leyland
Witness: Thomas Berry; Betty Bibby
Married by Banns by: Thomas Rebanks Minister of Heapey
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1822, Page 229, Entry 685
Source: LDS Film 93952

Dea x

EDIT - I think there is a good chance that this IS the correct marriage as they had a son William in 1841 and there is a William registered in 1841 with mmn Smith:

Births 1841:
YATES William Preston Preston SMITH PRES/13/78

I wanted to find Rose Anne's birth c 1838 to really confirm this but it doesn't look as if she was registered :-(

Dea x

This would be the baptism you had for John with parents Thomas (grocer) and Isabella:

Baptism: 11 Jan 1826 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
John Yates - [Child] of Thomas Yates & Isabella
Abode: Friargate
Occupation: Grocer
Baptised by: E M Hall
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1827, Page 85, Entry 19
Source: LDS Film 1278755


This looks like the one for 'your' John with parents Thomas (Labourer) and Margaret?

Baptism: 21 Dec 1827 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
John Yates - [Child] of Thomas Yates & Margaret
Abode: Green St New Preston
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: R Carus Wilson Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1827, Page 288, Entry 805
Source: LDS Film 1278755

Both of the above from LancsOPC site - VERY useful for the Lancashire area:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Dea x

Possible siblings? :

Baptism: 27 Sep 1829 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Yates - [Child] of Thomas Yates & Margaret
Abode: Nile Street
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: James Gratrix
Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1832, Page 197, Entry 637
Source: LDS Film 1278755


Baptism: 17 Aug 1838 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Rose Anna Yates - [Child] of Thomas Yates & Margaret
Abode: Seed St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Charles Wagstaff Curate
Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1840, Page 24, Entry 186
Source: LDS Film 1278755


Baptism: 1 Feb 1841 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Yates - [Child] of Thomas Yates & Margaret
Abode: Hopwood St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: J.Rigg
Register: Baptisms 1840 - 1842, Page 89, Entry 705
Source: LDS Film 1278755

This would be 'that' family on 1841:

1841 census transcription details for: Hopwood Street, Preston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 499
Book/Folio: 17/29
Page: 3
Reg. District: Preston
Sub District: Preston
Parish: Preston
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Preston
Address: Hopwood Street, Preston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
YATES, Thos M 40 1801 Lancashire Ag. Lab.
YATES, Margt F 40 1801 Lancashire
YATES, Tabey F 15 1826 Lancashire
YATES, John M 14 1827 Lancashire
YATES, Ruth F 10 1831 Lancashire
YATES, Eliza F 5 1836 Lancashire
YATES, Rose Anne F 3 1838 Lancashire
YATES, Willm M 0 (4 months) 1841 Lancashire
YATES, Willm M 60 1781 Lancashire

Dea x

So very appreciative for all this information. I will plod through it now.

Always felt that the initial information that I had was not correct and was not prepared to use it without further investigation.
John and Hannah were my Great Grandparents.

Thanks- Val