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The Charles Moody who died in Dublin is mine as he has the same birthday 2 Sept 1909.

Hi

The birth certificate came and Charles Patrick Moody is my relative :-D So now I have to make sure that he was the Charles who married Agnes :)))

Also the certificate came that I ordered direct from Dublin about another branch of my family and has proved to be very useful so thanks again for that top tip!

Thank you so much <3

Una

Hi

Thank you. I have spotted that tree which is why I wanted to establish for sure that the owner of the tree and I share the same ancestor.... I'm used to finding ancestors who died in WW1& 2 - this would be first to die in Vietnam... :-(

I used the Republic of Ireland link to order a death certificate for a Gt Gt Granmother who died in Sligo in the 1950s. It worked a treat!

Thank You Again

Una

Hi Una - I'm afraid I can't take credit for the useful links - they're from mgnv

I've found a public tree on Ancestry that has details of Charles Patrick Moody's wife and children. His wife was Agnes Davett born 1914 - she died 1946 as a result of complications following the birth of their second son, Francis.

Francis also sadly died very young:

U.S., Vietnam War Military Casualties, 1956-1998 about Francis Moody
Name: Francis Moody
Birth Date: 2 Oct 1946
Death Date: 14 Nov 1965
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Race: Caucasian (White)
Home City: New York
Home State: New York
Religion: Roman Catholic
Marital Status: Single (Spouse Not Listed) (Single)
SSN/Service #: 12702851
Citizen Status: U.S.
Death Date: 14 Nov 1965
Processed Date: Nov 1965
Casualty Country: Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam)
Casualty Type: Non-Hostile - Died of Illness/Injuries
Casualty Reason: Malaria
Casualty Air: Ground Casualty
Body Status: Body Recovered
Service Branch: Department of the Army
Component: Regular (RA, USN, USAF, USMC, USCG)
Military Grade: Private First Class
Pay Grade: Private First Class (U.S. Army) or Airman First Class (U.S. Air Force) or Lance Corporal (U.S. Marine Corps) or Grade/Rate Abbreviations With First Column: A,C,D,F,H,S,Or T; Second Column: A; Third And Fourth Columns: Blank (U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard)
Province: 99
Length of Service : 01
Service Occupation: Light Weapons Infantry (ARMY)
Data Source: Combat Area Casualties Current File

Thanks for that link to GRO Ireland - I didn't realise you could buy certificates on line for the Republic - the last time I did I bought a certificate from them I had to do it by post and send Euros!

Una

The family are in the 1911 census but their ages have been mistranscribed. Charles Moody is shown as being 17 but the originating census document says 1.7 (as in one year and seven months). He is living at 16 York Street with his Mum and her family. Charles Robert Moody - his father - is living in Skegoneil Street with his mum..... Charles & his wife Nelly were together until they died so I don't know why they are separated in 1911 (family sickness?).

In 1901 Charles Robert Moody has again been mistranscribed his surname is his christian name and vice versa. He is Charles R - and there is just him and his first wife who was also called Nelly (Ellen Wilson) she dies and he married the second Nellie (Ellen McKeown) in 1905.

Marie Celeste thank you so much for those links. I will take a look.

Thank You

Una

Kind Regards

Una <3 <3

Una, do you have the family in the 1911 census?

Una - since he was born before partition, you can also get his b.cert thru Roscommon.
One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

You can search 1940 (and view images) at:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

You can search 1930, too, but images are trickier.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSLP-R68
Household ID: 540
Affiliate Film Number: 444 ***********1
GS Film number: 2340179
Digital Folder Number: 004584245
Image Number: 01002 *************2

Go to: https://archive.org/details/1930_census then Illinois
We want NARA reel 444 **1, then read online. Edit the URL
https://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel444#page/n0/mode/2up
to https://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel444#page/n1002/mode/1up
changing the page to 1002 **2, and the up-ness.
Magnify 4 clicks, then look up a name on this page. E.g.,
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSL5-JGW
Image Number: 01008
so click 6 pages previous to:
https://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel444#page/n996/mode/1up
[addy=7578 South May St; looks like they were wed with kid(s) in 1901/11 Ireland
Jos immig 1923, and most of rest in 1926 -it wasn't unusual for some male to come out first, get stuff sorted, then for the family to join him.]

Hi

No Charles Moody senior didn't emigrate.He was in Belfast from the 1930s as my father remembered him being around all his childhood. However, I think Charles Patrick Moody came back to Ireland later as he appears to have died in Ireland.

Anyway, I will wait and see what the birth certificate says.

Thank you so very very much for your help. I really appreciate it and I will definitely pop back when the birth cert arrives!

Thank you

Una

Well, it's hard to say Una - they do seem to be one and the same.

Have just found this:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charles Patrick Moody
Arrival Date: 20 Jul 1931
Birth Date: abt 1909
Birth Location: Ireland
Age: 22
Port of Departure: Mediterranean Ports
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Exeter

He's a waiter and the Exeter features on some of the other records I mentioned earlier. On this record his father is Chas Moody of 378 94 Street, Brooklyn - so did his father emigrate too?

Thank you Marie Celeste.

The above naturalised Charles Patrick is also the husband of Agnes and the father of Charles K Moody and also the merchant seaman - I hope I have got that right :)))

Is that right??

Sorry

:-S :-D :-D :-D

Una

Una, getting the birth certificate is the best way to go to be sure of who we're looking at.

This is the naturalisation for a Charles Patrick:

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995
Name: Charles Patrick Moody
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1910
Issue Date: 13 Jun 1939
State: New York
Locality, Court: Eastern District of New York, District Court

Very little info other than he lived 1062 Lincoln Place, Brooklyn.

Hi
The above Charles Moody seems to have the middle name Patrick, so I have just sent off for a birth certificate for Charles Patrick Moody b1909.

The birth certificate should tell me if the above if he is"my" Charles Moody (My Granny's cousin) as his parents should be Charles Robert Moody & Ellen McKeown.

The Ponsonby Ave is new to me.

His family ran pubs in Belfast so the occupation seems plausible.

The McGowan's are not know to me either (could this be McKeown) but they could be cousins on the mother's side.

Hope that makes sense.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Una

Rootgatherer is definitely on the right track with the 1930 Merchant Seaman's census posted at 19:23 as this ties it in:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charles Moody
Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1930
Birth Date: abt 1909
Birth Location: Ireland
Age: 21
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Leviathan

He's an assistant steward, father is Charles Moody at 20 Ponsonby, Belfast.

Charles still has fresh complexion and brown hair but is strangely now only 5'7"

He made numerous trips back and forth across the Atlantic on various ships during 1930/1931 (might be why I'd initially thought there was more than one) all more or less with the same details.

This is the aunt he was allegedly headed to (address on census is same as on arrival record)

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Annie Mcgowan
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: Ireland
Race: White
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1926
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph C Mcgowan
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph C Mcgowan 52
Annie Mcgowan 48
Jennie Mcgowan 30
Margarette Mcgowan 25
Frank Mcgowan 21
Paul Mcgowan 19
Theresa Mcgowan 17

Everyone born Ireland.

Upon arrival he was headed to his cousin Mrs Annie McGowan of 7518 South May Street, Chicago Illinois.

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charles Moody
Arrival Date: 25 Nov 1929
Birth Date: abt 1909
Birth Location: Ni
Birth Location Other: white obber (Unreadable)
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cameronia

In case it's useful for comparison this young man was 5'10" tall, had fair complexion and dark brown hair.

His father was Charles Moody of the same address as on the outgoing record.


Una - do these details confirm that it is definitely your man?

Hello Una, there was more than one man called Charles Moody born around the same time in Northern Ireland who travelled to the US in 1920s/1930s.

The November 1929 departure on the Cameronia lists Charles Moody as a student aged 20 from Ponsonby Ave, Belfast. Appears to be travelling alone.

How did you get the pre 1935 address? Any clues as to what his occupation was then?

Just want to be sure that the correct records are found for the right man.

Name: Charles Moody
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Assembly District 18, Brooklyn, New York City, Kings, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Northern Ireland
Birth Year (Estimated): 1910
Last Place of Residence: Same Place
District: 24-2068A
Family Number: 11
Sheet Number and Letter: 1A
Line Number: 27
Affiliate Publication Number: T627
Affiliate Film Number: 2600
Digital Folder Number: 005458269
Image Number: 00383
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Charles Moody M 30 Northern Ireland
Wife Agnes Moody F 25 New Jersey
Son Charles K Moody M 0 New York

Thank you so much.

:-D

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Name: Charles Moody
SSN: 087-09-9572
Last Residence: 900 (U.S. Consulate) Dublin, Republic of Ireland
BORN: 2 Sep 1909
Last Benefit: 900 (U.S. Consulate) Dublin, Republic of Ireland
Died: Mar 1977
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)




Sorry, not seeing a marriage but perhaps it is too recent (ie less than 100 years). Not sure about dates for online American records.