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I think they got the birth year wrong for Kathleen - it should be 1907 and the birth for Kate Elizabeth looks right. It states she was baptised in 1910. This looks like her death:


Kathleen Caldwell
Birth Date:6 Jan 1907
Date of Registration:Jan 1986
Age at Death:79
Registration district:Gateshead
Inferred County:Durham
Volume:2
Page:12

This death is also registered as Kate Elizabeth Caldwell.

I also went back on to War Forces records.. I had found him already but not realised it was the right one...
as you guys gave me his service number I have now saved it...

Kim

Stuart I have sent you a thank you for your time and effort. I got all five pages...

Flip thank you as well....

I have to say this has all brought a tear to me.. not sure why.. is it the forgetting of the kids??? getting shot????

Once again I really appreciate all your help....

Kim

Thank you my friends. Will look at this later am at dinner with friends.... ;-)

FMP has Boer War records Flip, sorry had not refreshed before sending my last message so didn't see your question - am hung up on the children!

EDIT - Have just rechecked 1911 census where it definitely says Kathleen aged 4 - I posted a possible Registration of a Kate Elizabeth in 1907 Gateshead earlier. But Flip's Army records for William say she was born 1910.

So with James b 1900 and not acknowledged on the Boer war records and

only 3 children born to the marriageon 1911 census but 4 named over the 1901/11 census - I'm confused.

Have hopefully sent a PM with Boer War service details attached.

I see his weight remained constant over the years - O how I wish!!!

Wonder why James b October 1900 doesn't get as mention on the Boer War Army forms if Dad didn't sign on until February 1901?

Stuart, great find but where did you find the military history please?

:-D :-D

Incidently, he was shot in the right leg - but there's no mention of a pension so I assume it wasn't too bad! He was Roman Catholic, 5ft 4in, 137 lbs, and fresh complexion brown eyes & hair.

I can't find a record of his earlier service though (on ancestry), maybe someone can find it on FMP, but to have served in Africa for over 2 years I would suspect the Boer War, the WW1 record does however state he served as a trooper with the 5th Imperial Yeomanry - but I'm not very clued up on military history.

ADDED: Sorry, but I see Stuart has already found the earlier service whilst I was checking and typing this!

Earlier Service for William - as referred to by Flip in her post .

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s): Wm
Last name: CALDWELL
Calculated year of birth: 1877
Parish of birth: Gateshead
Town of birth: Gateshead
County of birth: Durham
Age at attestation: 24 years
Attestation date: 12 February 1901
Attestation corps: Imperial Yeomanry
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO128

William Caldwell age 24 years 1 month attested (signed on) to Imperial Yeomanry on 12th February 1901 at Newcastle-on-Tyne. His address at the time was Mansfield Street, Gateshead ( see family address 1901 census) and he says that he has resided out of his fathers house for over 3 years. Given the Service Number 29524. Can't read what his civilian trade is.

He is 5 feet 3 3/4 " tall and weighs 137 lbs, chest measures 371/2 ". Dark complexion, Grey eyes and Dark hair. He has vaccination marks and I presume tattoos - Friendship on Left arm. Faith Hope and Charity. Cross flags on Right arm and full name on Right hand. He is a Roman Catholic.

It is noted that he wishes to join the North Durham Company.

He joined as a Private and was discharged as a Private on 15th Sept. 1902. He agreed to allow his wife 3shillings and 6d a day!!!

He was serving at "Home" ie England 12.2.01 - 14.3.01 and then South Africa 15.3.01 - 8.9.02 and then home 9.9.02 -15.9.02 and discharge. Granted Queens South African Medal for service in SA 1901 and 1902

Wife noted as Isabella Caldwell of 93 Mansfield St, Gateshead. MArried 3.10.96 at Trinity Church, Gateshead, witnesses Elizabeth Ramsay and Thomas ?Troy

Children listed as Elizabeth b 3.4.98 Gateshead and William b 29.4.99 Gateshead, both baptised at Trinity Church.

(???? these would seem to be a year later than GRO suggests with no mention of James b 1900!)

Discharged from 5th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry 100th Company 15.9.1903 at Aldershot. Age 25 years 8 months, now only 5feet 3", chest same, same address as on attestation. Still can't read his trade - Ah, clearer down page - Cartman which would be same as per attestation.

Boer War 1899-1902 - Soldier details
Name: Caldwell, William
Rank: Private
Soldier number: 29524
Unit: 100 Company (Northumberland) 5 battalion Imperial Yeomanry
Notes: The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901, South Africa 1902
Age:
Literary references: The National Archives WO128. Imperial Yeomanry, Soldiers' Documents, South African War.

of course... I am a dumba**e :-D

Next of Kin.

Thanks flip...but now for the stupid question. What is Nok???

Only 2 dependant children by the time he enlisted. Confirms wife, they married 3/10/1896. Children James dob 28/10/1900, and Kathleen 6/1/? (can't read the image).

Isabella named as nok. address 1 Back Reddell Street, Gateshead. He may not have been down the pub in 1901 - had served 2 years 4 months in Africa at some point - down as prior service, but no other details.


William Caldwell
Estimated birth year:abt 1877
Age at enlistment:37
Birth Parish:Gateshead
Birth County:Durham
Document Year:1914
Regimental Number:799
Regiment Name:Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images:9

Added - possibly served in Boer War 1899-1902 which would explain his absence in 1901.

Thanks Stuart... maybe the question of how many children was asked in an unusual way and they didn't understand it....

They were both 19 when married so maybe HAD to get married really quickly...

Kim, there would appear to be 4 children named to the couple, but only 3 admitted to on the 1911 census. Elizabeth would appear to be registered as a Caldwell from bmd's - Mar Qtr 1897 Gateshead 10A 937 (so a bit close for an October 1896 marriage). Perhaps they couldn't add up or just forgot Elizabeth as she wasn't in the house!!

1901 gives the following
Elizabeth 1897 (Mar Qtr 1897)
William 1899 (Jun Qtr 1898)
James 1901 (Dec Qtr 1900)

1911 gives
William 1898
James 1900
Kathleen 1907 (?? Kate Elizabeth Mar Qtr 1907 - died Gateshead 1986 b 6.1.1907)
and Elizabeth elsewhere as per my 1911 post

which makes 4 children shown between both census but only 3 born to marriage on 1911 census as written on census form. ?????

I have found her visiting another family in 1911....

CALDWELL, Elizabeth

Address: 80 King Edward St Gateshead


MASON, Charles Head Married M 46 1865 Machine Metal Moulding Newcastle Northumberland
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MASON, Hannah Wife Married21 years F 44 1867 London Middlesex
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MASON, Charles Son Single M 20 1891 Poulterer Gateshead Durham
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MASON, Albert Son Single M 15 1896 Metal Moulder Gateshead Durham
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MASON, Stephen Son Single M 10 1901 School Felling Durham
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CALDWELL, Elizabeth Visitor F 14 1897 Gateshead Durham
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as usual thanks heaps guys... I tried to work it all out using all the hints and tips you all give.... and I still coulnt do it.... so big thank you's :-D

hmmm... stuart bit strange as Elizabeth is not on the 1911 census...
just having a look into that now.... she may be working already and at another house.....
no hang on 3 children no deaths.... 3 children on census...
very odd....... :-S :-S :-S

Possibly the Elizabeth Caldwell shown on the 1901 census
1911 census transcription details for: 80 King Edward St Gateshead

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN30464 RG78PN1748B RD557 SD2 ED54 SN189
Reg. District: Gateshead
Sub District: Gateshead
Parish: Gateshead
Enum. District: 54
Address: 80 King Edward St Gateshead
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MASON, Charles Head Married M 46 1865 Machine Metal Moulding Newcastle Northumberland
MASON, Hannah Wife Married21 years F 44 1867 London Middlesex
MASON, Charles Son Single M 20 1891 Poulterer Gateshead Durham
MASON, Albert Son Single M 15 1896 Metal Moulder Gateshead Durham
MASON, Stephen Son Single M 10 1901 School Felling Durham
CALDWELL, Elizabeth Visitor F 14 1897 Gateshead Durham

The 1911 census referred to - the original shows as CAldwell, have put in a correction to FMP

It also says 3 children born to marriage and 3 still living. NO deaths shown!!!!!

1911 census transcription details for: 52 Frank Street Sunderland Road Gateshead

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN30465 RG78PN1748B RD557 SD2 ED55 SN251
Reg. District: Gateshead
Sub District: Gateshead
Parish: Gateshead
Enum. District: 55
Address: 52 Frank Street Sunderland Road Gateshead
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
COLDWELL, William Head Married M 34 1877 Midle Foundry Labourer Gateshead Durham
COLDWELL, Isabella Wife Married 14 years F 34 1877 Gateshead Durham
COLDWELL, William Son M 13 1898 Gateshead Durham
COLDWELL, James Son M 11 1900 Gateshead Durham
COLDWELL, Kathleen Daughter F 4 1907 Gateshead Durham

Matthew Wightman, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Matthew Wightman
Age (Original): 47
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1834
Birthplace: Gateshead, Durham, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Engineman (Dri)
Address: 6 Maple St
Event Place: Elswick, Northumberland, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342218
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5052 / 91
Page Number: 14
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Matthew Wightman M 47 Gateshead, Durham, England
Wife Jane Wightman F 37 Gateshead, Durham, England
Daughter Hannah Wightman F 14 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Daughter Elizabeth Wightman F 11 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Daughter Jane Wightman F 7 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Son Matthew Wightman M 6 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Daughter Isabella Wightman F 4 Newcastle, Northumberland, England