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ArgyllGran!! Peter above IS definitely the son of William born 1802 and Margaret. William 1802 is the son of William and Janet Scott...

This looks like the Peter who married Janet Young:


1841 England Census about Peter Bryers
Name: Peter Bryers
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Tweedmouth
Hundred: Islandshire
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Berwick upon Tweed
Sub-registration district: Berwick upon Tweed
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 318
Book: 12
Folio: 23
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Bryers 15

Peter's away from home in 1871:


1871 Scotland Census about William Byres
Name: William Byres
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Byres
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalkeith, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 701
Registration district: West Calder
Civil Parish: West Calder
County: Midlothian
Address: Layford
Occupation: Farmer 600 Acres 200 In Mable (probably "glebe" mistranscribed) Of Church
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 71
LINE: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_171
Household Members:
Name Age
William Byres 68 - Dalkeith
Margaret Byres 61
Walter Byres 26
James Byres 14
Janet Byres 29
Margaret Byres Smith 7 - grand-daughter, born West Calder
Jessie Steven 17 - servant
Helen Brown 20 - servant

The only record of the birth of a Peter Byers in Dalkeith at very approximately the right time is this one:

08/06/1834 BYERS PETER WILLIAM BYERS/MARGARET PEDEN FR2948 (FR2948) M DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN 683/00 0100 0225

And this could be him in 1841:

1841 Scotland Census about Peter Byres
Name: Peter Byres
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Linton
County: Peeblesshire
Address: Medwin Manse
Parish Number: 773
Household Members:
Name Age
William Byres 36
Margaret Byres 36
William Byres 13
Helen Byres 11
Adam Byres 9
Peter Byres 7

But he's still with his parents in 1851 & 1861, so he's not the one who married Jane(t) Young:



1851 Scotland Census about William Byres
Name: William Byres
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Byres
[William Byres]
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalhenthina, Midlothian
Parish Number: 773
Civil Parish: West Linton
County: Peeblesshire
Address: Medwin Mains
Occupation: Farmer Of 200 Ac
ED: 4
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 7
LINE: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_198
Household Members:
Name Age
William Byres
Margaret Byres 47
William Byres 22
Helen Byres 20
Adam Byres 18
Peter Byres 16
Thomas Byres 14
Janet Byres 12
Walter Byres 10
Margaret Byres 8
James Byres 6


1861 Scotland Census about Peter Byers
Name: Peter Byers
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William Byers
Mother's name: Margaret Byers
Gender: Male
Where born: West Linton, peebleshire
Registration Number: 701
Registration district: West Calder
Civil Parish: West Calder
County: Midlothian
Address: Longford Faron
Occupation: Shepher
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 57
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_133
Household Members:
Name Age
William Byers 59
Margaret Byers 58
Peter Byers 23
Janet Byers 21
Walter Byers 18
James Byers 14
Catherine Gilchrist 36
Isabella Marshall 19
William Prentice 13


BUT . . . . .
his father William was born 1802 in Dalkeith. Can this be William, son of your soldier William & Janet Scott??
In which case Peter would be William & Janet's grandson?

(Although not the one who married Janet Young)

What makes your contact think he's a son of Richard and Janet? Has he/she found a record somewhere?

Going back to your original question - I don't think you'll ever be able to prove whether or not your William 1778/9 was the son of R&J.

I know ArgyllGran...Its very bizarre! all the other children have been registered apart from Peter.. Yet his mother Janet Scott has apparently died inn 1824????

I can't see a marriage for Peter and Jane(t) in either Scotland or England.

Can't see Peter on his own in 1841, and can't find his birth.

for our ref:


1861 England Census about Peter Byers
Name: Peter Byers
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Byers
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalkeith, Scotland <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 94
Piece: 3800
Folio: 34
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Byers 36
Jane Byers 37 - born Belford, Northumberland
John Byers 14
Barbra Byers 12
William Byers 4
Jane A Byers 1



1851 England Census about Peter Byers
Name: Peter Byers
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Byers
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Berwick upon Tweed
Town: Berwick
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Berwick
Sub-registration district: Islandshire
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 265
Piece: 2421
Folio: 559
Page Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Byers 26
Jane Byers 25
John Byers 4
Barbara Byers 2


1871 England Census about Peter Byers
Name: Peter Byers
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Byers
Gender: Male
Where born: Tweedmouth ??????? - ie - Berwick on Tweed
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 246
Piece: 5016
Folio: 64
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Byers 46
Jane Byers 46 - born Berwick
John Byers 25
Barbara Byers 23
William Byers 15
Jane Byers 12
Catherine Byers 9
Jane Watson 52 - lodger

17/06/1821 BYRES ROBERT WILLIAM BYRES/JANET SCOTT FR2849 (FR2849) M DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN 683/00 0100 0029

There is Robert Byres (note the spelling) born 1823, but I think he may have died. Also another Janet born 1814 which suggests that Janet born 1804 has died... Peter is on my other contacts tree born c1826 and married to Janet Young. Their first son William Byers was born in Berwick on treed. I cannot find a birth for Peter Byers/Byres although I do see him and his wife Janet on the census returns..??

There is someone on Ancestry who has William born in England, fathers name is listed as Thomas.. This person has the same marriage details for William to Janet Scott etc, but only has one daughter listed born 1827? married to a McBeath? I have Elizabeth born c1812 married to the same chap...So quiet confused and not sure if I have it wrong or he does...I don't put too much faith on Ancestries

Ah - found the death you mention, Nancy. Listed as Byer on SP, though the image says Byers.

No proof that this is the same man as either the man who married Janet Scott, or the son of Richard & Janet in Dumfries.

All it says is
20 Dec 1829 - William Byers, carter, Dalkeith, 51. Cause of death looks like "By a broom" but presumably isn't!

I see, the childrens' births appear to suggest his father's name was William and mother's name was Margaret.

1) William 1802
2) Janet 1804
3) Margaret 1806
4) Elizabeth 1812
5) Adam 1814
6) Walter 1817
7) Thomas 1823

Where do Robert and Peter fit in? Perhaps there have also been deaths though that should also mean that other children should have been named for the dead ones.


Scottish naming pattern. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

1st son named after father's father
2nd son named after mother's father
3rd son named after father
1st daughter named after mother's mother
2nd daughter named after father's mother
3rd daughter named after mother


Although this was not universally applied (some families adhered strictly, others “dabbled” and still others ignored it), it can still be helpful in determining the correct entry when confronting the relative lack of information in the OPR’s. It can also give rise to great confusion when eight children of the same family in a small parish name their offspring according to convention! The use of traditional naming patterns gradually declined during the 19th century.

The 1779 birth posted by alviegal is the only one of that name in Scotland 1775-85 with parents Richard & Janet.

The fact that he was in the "Scotch Militia" probably doesn't necessarily mean he was born in Scotland.
They sound like pretty much of a rabble from all over. If he was Scottish, then the 1779 one could well be him.
Per Wikipedia:

Scottish militia

In the late 17th century, while the Kingdom of Scotland was still an independent country sharing a monarch with England, there were calls for the resurrection of the country's militia, with the understated aim of protecting the rights of Scots from English oppression.[1]

Following the merger of Scotland into the new Kingdom of Great Britain, the British Militia Act of 1757 did not apply in Scotland. There, the old traditional system continued, so that militia regiments existed in some places and not in others. This was resented by some, and the Militia Club, soon to become the Poker Club, was formed in Edinburgh to promote the raising of a Scottish militia. This and several other Edinburgh clubs became the crucible of the Scottish Enlightenment.

The Militia Act of 1797 empowered the Lord Lieutenants of Scotland to raise and command militia regiments in each of the "Counties, Stewartries, Cities, and Places" under their jurisdiction. At first the Act was opposed due to some believing the militia ballot would be used to enable the Crown to remove men from Scotland.[2].

my source seems to think Williams parents are Richard and Janet Curruthers?? I'm a bit worried since none of the children are named after the paternal grandfather.. He has his death in 1829 aged 51 argylegran. He also has his wife Janet death in 1824 and William has remarried in 1829 to a Marion Scott.. Same year he died

Is this him? He is described as being married with 2 male sons. His address is 64 St Michael St. Dumfriess.

1879
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
First name(s): William
Last name: BYERS
Calculated year of birth: ?
Parish of birth: Kirkmichael
Town of birth: Dumfries
County of birth: Dumfriesshire
Age at attestation: 22 years 1 months
Attestation date:
Attestation corps: VOLUNTEER FOR THE MILITIA
Attestation soldier number: 9512
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps: King's Own Scottish Borderers - 25th Foot
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO96


EDIT No this one is far too young to be your man.

spouse: Janet Scott
other: Adam Scott
Name William Byers
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's Name Janet Scott
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date 20 Dec 1800
Event Place Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Father's Name
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's Name Adam Scott


Could you please clarify who you think are William's parents?

Where did William die, Nancy? He didn't die in Scotland, or at least not in 1829.

Only one William Byers/Byres ( Byeres) died 1825-35, in 1835.

Betty Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

christening: 29 January 1786 , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND

father: Richard Byers
mother: Janet Carruthers



Ann Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

christening: 20 November 1791 , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND

father: Richard Byers
mother: Janet Carruthers



James Byres

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 12 December 1775
christening: 17 December 1775 , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: 1775 Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland

father: Richard Byres
mother: Janet Carruthers



Jean Byres

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 9 February 1774
christening: 20 February 1774 , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: 1774 Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland

father: Richard Byres
mother: Janet Carruthers



William Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 18 September 1779
christening: 20 September 1779 , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: 1779 Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland

father: Richard Byers
mother: Jannet Carruthers



Margaret Byres

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

christening: 11 January 1784 , LOCHMABEN, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland

father: Richard Byres
mother: Jannet Carruthers

William Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 30 October 1802
christening: 28 November 1802 , DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1802 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

father: William Byers
mother: Janet Scott



Adam Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 21 August 1814
christening: 11 September 1814 , DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1814 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

father: William Byers
mother: Janet Scott



Margaret Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 18 October 1806
christening: 2 November 1806 , DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1806 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

father: William Byers
mother: Janet Scott



Janet Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 14 May 1804
christening: 27 May 1804 , DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1804 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

father: William Byers
mother: Janet Scott



Walter Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 16 April 1817
christening: 4 May 1817 , DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1817 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

father: William Byers
mother: Janet Scott



Thomas Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 8 January 1823
christening: 2 February 1823 , DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1823 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

father: William Byers
mother: Janet Scott



Elizabeth Byers

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 21 May 1812
christening: 7 June 1812 , DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1812 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

father: William Byers
mother: Janet Scott