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The daughter Eliza is recorded in the non-conformist registers for Somerset.

Cuzner Eliza Father: Livnel Cuzner 1825 Baptism Somerset RG4_3260
Cuzner Eliza Mother: Hester Cuzner 1825 Baptism Somerset RG4_3260


3260:
Register of Births and Baptisms at Zion Independent Chapel of Selwood in Frome, Somerset from 1809 to 1836

This could explain the lack of a C of E baptism for Lionel/Leonard.

From Freebmd:

Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%)
Cuzner Lionel Frome 5c 471

:-S

The original register is practically illegible and the Christian name could be either Lionel or Leonard. To my eyes it looks slightly more like Leonard.

Burial
First name(s): Leaonard
Last name: CUZNER
Date of burial 13 Mar 1864
Age at death: 70
Calculated year of birth: 1794
Place of burial Frome
Dedication: Vallis Road Cemetery
County: Somerset
Frome Vallis Road Cemetery

(as above FMP, but can't see Freereg)

Chris :)

Burial
County Somerset
Place Frome
Church St John the Baptist Pr
RegisterNumber 2211
BurialDate 07 Oct 1836
Forename Harry
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname CRUSE
Age 52
Abode Pilly Vale
Notes Clerk and Register Keeper of Frome Church about 30 years

(above was the H Cruse, witness at Marriage, other was Elizth Soane, probably relating to Richard Champneys Soane otherwise Sone, Sexton of Frome Somerset)

but she says that her Lionel was a Fuller ..........................


that's something to do with weaving linen, isn't it?



just googled ............

a fuller is someone who cleanses wool by "fulling" :-)


ie, cleansing of cloth (particularly wool) to eliminate oils, dirt, and other impurities, and making it thicker.




that's different from being a Collier or Coal Dealer.




but then, who knows, with our ancestors!

Subject: [ENG-SOM] CUZNER - FROME DISSENTER'S REGISTERS

Entry No. 718.
LEONARD CUZNER, a coal carrier, of Coal Ash, Frome, aged 70 years, buried 13th. March, 1864. No. 23, Section H or K?. Ceremony performed by David Galllway?


http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-SOMERSET-FROME/2001-11/1005689296


I was just wondering if the man above could be the one mentioned below by this person also searching for Lionel. Perhaps Leonard was his real name???




I was very interested to read of your Cuzner cnnections and hope someone may have some more info my maternal grandmothers gt gt grandfather was Lionel Cuzner born Frome 1794 his wife was Ester Rolfe married ? 1815 buried in Frome Dessenters cemetry, 1864 my Mother always told me her relatives were Hugenots and fled France can anyone help me with Lionel he was born in Frome and a Fuller. Many thanks


http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.cuzner/1.5.6.7.12.1.2/mb.ashx

Another possibility is that he was born illegitimate under another surname and his mother subsequently married Mr. Cuzner.

Beverley ....... two minds think alike :-)


It is of course entirely possible that he was never baptised.


I believe, from various books that I have read, that a collier's life could be a very migratory one ............. moving from coal mine to coal mine, and living way out on the moors

Lionel obviously was lucky ................ he moved from being a Collier to a Coal Dealer.


Of course, another strange possibility is that he didn't like the name that he was given at baptism, and adopted the name Lionel :-)


Not common ................... but not unknown!

Thanks, Stuart. That is what I wondered, Sylvia, since the FreeReg coverage of Frome is very complete as regards baptisms in that time frame.

No Lionel on the Somerset OPC page either :-(

In the 1841 Census, Lionel is shown as "Collier"


I wonder if this is a case where he was NOT born in Frome, but moved to Frome at such a young age that he knew no different?

Aware of what you are asking, but BeverleyW had asked how you knew he was born in Frome, so I inputted the census with his place of birth on it.

Thanks for all replies I do have the 1851 census and it is the correct family but I am looking further back for Lione'ls Parents and any siblings will keep searching Kind Regards Pam

EDIT - posted as shows place of birth as BeverleyW was asking how poster knew where he was born

1851 census transcription details for: Behind Town, Frome

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1932
Folio: 419
Page: 25
Reg. District: Frome
Sub District: Frome
Parish: Frome
Enum. District: 2I
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters
City/Municipal Borough: Frome
Address: Behind Town, Frome
County: Somersetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CUZNER, Lionel Head Married M 56 1795 Coal Dealer Frome, Somerset
CUZNER, Hester Wife Married F 61 1790 Frome, Somerset
CUZNER, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 25 1826 Dress Maker Frome, Somerset

FreeReg has a large number of baptisms for Cuzner in Frome, but not a Lionel. How do you know he was born there?

Baptism transcripts for St John's Frome:


http://www.gomezsmart.myzen.co.uk/places/frome/FSJ%20baptisms%201759-1812.htm


http://www.gomezsmart.myzen.co.uk/religion/fsjmenu.htm

No help with your query Pamela I'm afraid, but just pointing out another child. Looks like Eliza 1818 possibly died.

Name: Eliza Cuzner
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Christening Date: 16 Oct 1825
Christening Place: Frome, Somerset
Marriage Date:
Marriage Place:
Death Date:
Death Place:
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Father's Name: Livnel Cuzner
Mother's Name: Hester Cuzner
Affiliate Publication Number: RG4_3260

I am trying to trace the Parents and siblings of Lionel Cuzner born 1794 in Frome Somerset. He married Esther Rolfe on 15th May 1815 in Frome. Their children were Emma born 1816 Eliza born 1818 and Jeremiah born 1821. Any help with this would be much appreciated Thanks Pam