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I agree that the 1891 Henry born Battersea is the Henry Westoby born 1877 Windsor. For info the Westoby is the maiden name of James's mother - Henry's grandmother.

1891 22,West street east Battersea.
Henry Saltmarsh born 1843 Ashford kent
Harriet 1860 Leighton buzzard beds
George Pointer 1876 Battersea cousin
Henry Pickering 1877 Battersea errand boy cousin.

1881 22,west street as above
Samuel King 48 Shenley Bucks
Ann wife
Harriet King 1860 Leighton Buzzard.
George Pointer
Harry/henry Saltmarsh.

Henry Saltmarsh married Harriett King A/M/J 1881

Samuel King born Shenley @ 1835 was brother to Maria King born Shenley Buckinghamshire who married Joseph Garner in 1854 who had Ellen Garner married to James Pickering.
So I think it is safe to say that this is your Henry Pickering in 1891!!
Do you agree?
Also in 1861 there is a Selina Garner with Maria and Joseph Garner age 10.She is Selina king on 185.

Maryb.

Thanks Mary - much appreciated

Ellen widow of james went on to have twins.

1911 states 2 children born 1 died
Philip William Pain 7/20/1893 died 1966.
John Isaac Pain 7/10/1893 died 1896.
Both baptised 29/10/1893.

Ellen down as born in 1860 on 1911 census!!

Philip William Pain age 3 at St Barnabas School.

Ellen Garner in
1861 Stony Strattford St Giles Bucks
Joseph Garner 1831 Old Bradwell
Maria nee King they married 1854
Eller (Ellen ) age 5
She isn't with them on 1871 census.

here she is
1871 Bucks Wolverton D16
Ellen Garmer a servant born 1855 Old Bradwell

Maryb.

Deaths Jun 1887 (>99%)
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Pickering James 45 Pancras 1b 4


PICKERING
JAMES
Burial date
23 April 1887
Brompton Cemetery
Brompton Cemetery (Kensington and Chelsea)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(if you mean above one)

Chris :)


Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
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PICKERING Ellen Whitechapel 1c 397


1901
PICKERING, Ellen Servant Single F 21 1880 Cook (Domestic)
Minories, London
Piece: 35
Folio: 55
Page: 9
Registration District: Kensington
Civil Parish: Kensington
Municipal Borough:
Address: 87, Onslow Square, Kensington
County: London


Marriages Mar 1903 (>99%)
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Hobday Septimus Alfred St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 748
Pickering Ellen St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 748


1911
HOBDAY, Septimus Alfred Head Married8 years M 35 1876 Tram Car Conductor London Westminster
HOBDAY, Ellen Wife Married F 31 1880 Tower of London
HOBDAY, Alfred Henry Son M 7 1904 Lambeth London
HOBDAY, Lily Daughter F 6 1905 Mary Le Bone London
RG number: RG14
Piece: 2106
Reference: RG14PN2106 RG78PN73 RD25 SD5 ED7 SN116
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub District: Norwood
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Lambeth
Address: 101 Briscoe Buildings Brixton Hill London SW
County: London


Deaths Jun 1939 (>99%)
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Hobday Ellen 59 Lambeth 1d 233


Deaths Dec 1939 (>99%)
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HOBDAY Septimus A 64 Chelsea 1a 482

Thanks - much appreciated

So James died, Ellen remarried and the kids disappeared. That is brutal

Ellen's birthplace on the 1891 fits in, although she's lopped a few years off her age to hide the gap:

PAIN, Phillip Head Married M 27 1864 Chocolate Maker Stepney, London
PAIN, Ellen Wife Married F 32 1859 Bradwell, Buckinghamshire

Piece: 400 Folio: 154 Page: 9
Registration District: Lambeth
Civil Parish: Lambeth

Address: 37, Mawbey Street, Lambeth County: London

Was hoping it would mention any Pickering relatives but does not


Name: Philip Henry Rivers Pain
Probate Date: 30 Aug 1945
Death Date: 6 Aug 1945
Death Place: London, England Registry: Llandudno

33a Cambray Road, Balham
Died at St James Hospital
Administration to Philip William Pain, southern railway goods checker
Effects £318 11s 7d

Ellen is also shown as a widow on the marriage record.

Andy

Think this is him - wife is Ellen Garner? (married 1876) mother Sarah (who lived North Frodingham)

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s): James
Last name: PICKERING
Calculated year of birth: 1843
Parish of birth: Driffield
Town of birth: Driffield
County of birth: Yorkshire
Age at attestation: 18 years
Attestation date: 18 February 1861
Attestation corps: 16TH REGIMENT OF FOOT GUARDS
Attestation soldier number: 770
The National Archives reference: WO97

He was discharged 1883, London.

Name: Ellen Pickering
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Age: 30
Spouse Name: Philip Henry Rivers Pain
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 May 1890
Parish: Newington St Mary Borough: Southwark
Spouse Father: Philip Rivers Pain


Her father is shown as Joseph Garner

Just posting the full 1881 so we can see all details - James' occupation may be significant

PICKERING, James Head Married M 38 1843 Soldier Frodington, Yorkshire
PICKERING, Ellen Wife Married F 26 1855 ?, Buckinghamshire
PICKERING, Henry Son Single M 4 1877 Windsor, Berkshire
PICKERING, Ellen Daughter Single F 1 1880 London Tower OF, Middlesex

Piece: 118 Folio: 21 Page: 38
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Civil Parish: St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster

Address: B Wellington House, St Margaret And St John The Evangelist Westminster County: London, Middlesex

Have not ruled out Ellen in 1891. Royal Victoria was a school for orphans. I do not think the marriage is the correct Henry. that guy born 1872 Stockton ?

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Pain Philip Henry R St. Saviour 1d 346
PICKERING Ellen St. Saviour 1d 346


1901 in Lambeth

Phillip H R Pain 37 Born Stepney
Ellen Pain 48 Born Buckinghamshire
Phillip W Pain 7
Percy Turner 26


1891


Phillip Pain 27
Jellen Pain 32






Andy

There appears to be a chap with a similar name to Henry

Henry Westerby Pickering

Have you ruled out this entry in 1891 for daughter Ellen

Class: RG12; Piece: 451; Folio: 115; Page: 9; GSU Roll: 6095561.

Okay having a senior moment there

Possible marriage for Henry in 1898

:-S

Henry registered as Westoby ?

1881 St Margaret Westminster

James Pickering 1843 North Frodingham York
Ellen 1855 Buckinhamshire
Henry 1877 Windsor Berkshire
Ellen 1800 London Tower
Ellen was born 1857 Old Bradwell Bucks,Henry birth registered as Henry Westoby in Windsor and Ellen birth registered in Whitechapel. James married Ellen Garner 1876 Wandsworth. There is a possible death for James 1887 Pancras but what happened to the rest of the family after 1881?