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I have Alfred Sutton b.1882 leaving London on the Kaiser-I-Hind on 9th June 1916, heading for India. (He died out there in 1922.)

I believe he had been on a visit to England to visit family and would like to know when he was inbound. Was he just here for a few weeks or several years? He was a 'loco driver' in India, having been demobbed from the Army and given 'leave to remain in India' in 1908.

If anyone can look at the Ancestry details for his details I would be most grateful and to know if he was travelling with anyone, perhaps his first wife.. I don't have the correct sub. I would love to have the image for my records if possible.

Thanks for taking the time to read my rambles!

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Alfred Sutton, "India, Marriages, 1792-1948 "
Name: Alfred Sutton
Birth Date: 1882
Birthplace:
Age: 39
Spouse's Name: Elsie Mary Taucord
Spouse's Birth Date: 1882
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 39
Event Date: 16 Apr 1921
Event Place: Lahore, Bengal, India
Father's Name: John James Sutton
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William Grindal
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75050-8
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 527926
Reference ID:

safc,

Thanks for that - I have it from FMP, and have traced Elsie Mary and her line, forward to Alfred's death and Elsie Mary's next marriage. (Alfred was shown as widower on the 1921 marriage.)

I am just trying to fill in the gap between 1908 in India and Alfred leaving onboard ship in 1916.

Until the new records appeared on FMP in the last few days I didn't have much on Alfred, but it has been a good addition to their records for me.

The 1916 record shows him as a 'loco driver' seemingly travelling alone. Travelling to Bombay.

Country of last permenant residence England - heading to India and intending to stay there.

Dea x

Can't see him coming in to England at the moment.

Dea x

Dea,

Thanks I do have the outbound journey but he must have been inbound at some point pre-June 1916 and believe there is a record on Ancestry which could be him. I don't have the upgraded sub to be able to see the record in full.

Edit: Sorry Dea, we crossed in posting.

Thought there was one if I just entered Alfred b.1882 heading inbound from India.

Can you give us the details of the possible inbound journey, as far as you can see them, please?

Did he have a middle name?

I know it's a very long shot, but here's an A W Sutton, engine driver, born c1881.
Country of last permanent residence: Nigeria (yeah, I said it was a long shot).
Country of intended future permanent residence: British Possessions.

[EDIT: No, ignore that. AW Sutton's still travelling around after 1922.]






UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about A W Sutton
Name: A W Sutton
Birth Date: abt 1881
Age: 32
Port of Departure: Calabar, Nigeria
Arrival Date: 4 Aug 1913
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Lagos
[Accra]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Akabo
Search Ship Database: View the 'Akabo' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: British and African Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 115268

Sorry to be making it a difficult search.

I would have expected him to be arriving in 1915/16, though I have no proof of this. He had no other given name, just Alfred. He is not the one you kindly found, and to make it more difficult there were two Alfred Suttons in India,. both loco drivers but the other was Alfred William I think.

The only reason I think he had a first marriage is that he is shown as widower on his marriage to Elsie Mary, but he didn't give his correct father's name, who was deceased, just his eldest brother's name.

Thanks for taking the time to look for me, but don't worry if you can't find him.

A 'maybe' for 1901??

1901 England Census about Alfred Sutton
Name: Alfred Sutton
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Frome, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:


Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Adlam 40
Jessie Adlam 39
Ada Adlam 13
Winnifred Adlam 8
Frederick Probyn 20
George Griffith 20
Alfred Sutton 18 Railway engine stoker b. Frome, Somerset.
Elizabeth Usher 43

Dea x

Thanks Dea but he was in India, in the Army, until 1908 after service in South Africa etc. He hadn't joined the Army until 1899.

I think I will have to be satisfied with what I have already.

Thank you, everyone, for trying to find him.

What fathers name did he give please?

Dea x

He gave his father's name as John James, but he was his eldest brother, not his father. His father had died in 1917.

Which regiment was he with, Elisabeth?

Is this him?

UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949 about Alfred Sutton
Name: Alfred Sutton
Campaign or Service: India
Service Date: 1889-1902
Service Location: India
Regiment or Unit Name: 1st Battalion Duke of Cornwall Light Infantry Regiment of Foot
Regimental Number: 2159


[EDIT: No, the dates don't match what you've said earlier.]

Sorry for delay - feeding the folks.

He was with the Lincolnshire Regiment - for which I have all the documentary evidence from 1899 confirming that he had enlisted.

I have his service record downloaded which did give me the information that he had been given ' permission to remain in India' in 1908.

I am wondering if he returned to UK when war was declared and then didn't enlist again for some reason, so returned to India. There are many possibilities but I am content that I have found his marriage and death in India, so I have been able to complete all the siblings in the family now starting with the family bible entries to their deaths. (He is not my direct line - so not so vital.)

Thanks for your interest and help.

(adding for reference)

First name(s): Alfred (Farm Servant)
Last name: SUTTON
Calculated year of birth: 1881
Parish of birth: Pointon
Town of birth: Sleaford
County of birth: Lincolnshire
Age at attestation: 18 years 5 months
Attestation date: 15 November 1899
Attestation corps: Lincolnshire Regiment
Attestation soldier number: 5434
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO97
(South Africa 1899 to 1902)

1891
SUTTON, John Maples Head Married M 32 1859 Agricultural Labourer Horseman
Bourne, Lincolnshire
SUTTON, Mary Ann Wife Married F 33 1858
Walcott, Lincolnshire
SUTTON, John James Son M 11 1880
Ingoldsby, Lincolnshire
SUTTON, Alfred Son M 8 1883
Pointon, Lincolnshire
SUTTON, George Edward Son M 6 1885
Pointon, Lincolnshire
SUTTON, Lilly Daughter F 5 1886
Pointon, Lincolnshire
SUTTON, Mary Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1888
Stow, Lincolnshire
SUTTON, Bertie Son M 1 1890
Stow, Lincolnshire
JOHNSON, Caroline Visitor Single F 28 1863
Walcott, Lincolnshire
Piece: 2581
Folio: 28
Page: 17
Registration District: Sleaford
Civil Parish: Threckingham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Stow, Threckingham, Stow
County: Lincolnshire

Chris :)

If an inbound passenger list can't be found, might he have hitched a ride on a Military vessel shortly after his discharge, with the intention of visiting his family?

Those vessels aren't normally shown within the Ancestry collection.

As you haven't found a first marriage in India, he might have married in the UK and settled, only returning to India after her death?

+++DetEcTive+++

I agree with your thoughts and have been mulling it over for a while.

I did look at marriages in UK a while ago, but dismissed most as I could tie them up with other records but I will look again later, when I have a little time.

There is a possibility of coming back with the military after his demob.

It has been a fascinating journey, having 14 children named in the family bible. (I don't have it anymore but have scans of the pages. It has been passed to the family who are carrying on the name which we thought was the right thing to do.) I have them all now hatched, matched and dispatched, which I never expected to do twenty years ago before so many records came online and I was a compete novice.

Thank you for your input.

Just to clarify what I believe of Alfred's first marriage.

I have looked at the family bible records and find that the entries seem to be chronological with the first sibling marrying in 1900, then Alfred with no date, then the next sibling in 1906 and so on. This makes me think Alfred married after 1900 and before 1906 during his time in the army and was widowed at some point, rather than having married in UK. The fact that his father didn't give a date of the marriage makes me think he didn't know exactly - perhaps he just had a letter informing him of a marriage.

I am not asking for further help really, just clarifying things in my own mind. (I do often talk to myself!)