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Mary
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1 Feb 2014 09:50 |
Unless she changed the 3 to 4 because Neva wasn't the daughter of George Henry!!
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Catherine
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31 Jan 2014 21:48 |
Have had a look but can't see Nellie on 1901.
Noticed on 1911 that Lois stated she had 3 children all living, then crossed it out and put 4 children, all living. I'm just wonderin if Nellie was in fact their daughter, or just a relative? Have also looked for a baptism for Nellie to check father's name but can't see a baptism either, shame, only way to be absolutely sure would be to buy a copy of her birth certificate.
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Mary
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31 Jan 2014 17:28 |
Can you see Nellie Tolley born 1896 on the 1901 census. She is with her mum 1911.
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Catherine
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31 Jan 2014 17:10 |
That's what we need to know. The key is really the birth and marriage certificates of the children to see if he was in deed the father of the younger children and if he was still around at the girls marriages. This will at least narrow down a death date. .................................. Marriage for the elder children:-
Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%) NEWTON John Leicester 7a 448 TOLLEY Lois Maria Leicester 7a 448 TOTLEY Lois Maria Leicester 7a 448
NEWTON, John Head Married M 28 1883 Shoe Finisher Leicestershire Leicester VIEW NEWTON, Lois Marie Wife Married3 years F 22 1889 Hosiery S G Linker Leicestershire Leicester VIEW TOLLEY, Cyril William Son M 4 1907 Leicestershire Leicester VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 19168 Reference: RG14PN19168 RG78PN1150A RD407 SD1 ED4 SN59 Registration District: Leicester Sub District: North West Leicester Enumeration District: 4 Parish: Leicester Address: 9 Court B Northgate Street Leicester County: Leicestershire
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Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%) Cox Frank T Leicester 7a 414 Tolley Elizabeth A Leicester 7a 414
COX, Frank Thomas Head Married M 27 1884 Stoker Furnace Leicester Leicestershire VIEW COX, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married F 21 1890 Hosiery Sorter Leicester Leicestershire VIEW COX, Lily Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (9 WEEKS) 1911 VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 19169 Reference: RG14PN19169 RG78PN1150A RD407 SD1 ED5 SN186 Registration District: Leicester Sub District: North West Leicester Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Leicester Address: 50 Vauxhall St Leicester County: Leicestershire
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Mary
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31 Jan 2014 15:39 |
A daughter born 1904.
Neva Tolley J/F/M 1904 reg Chorlton Lancashire V8c P741.She married William Micthell in Leicestershire 1922.
So was George Henry about in 1903!!
She was actually born in Didsbury Manchester 20/11/1903,accorrding to a tree on ancestry.
Maryb.
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Chris Ho :)
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31 Jan 2014 09:11 |
Somebody has a connection, looking at the 2 links posted earlier, not sure if he is shared in any 'Members Trees', or any other names from family.
Chris :)
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Catherine
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31 Jan 2014 08:58 |
I came to the same conclusion Gins. I believe the correct George Henry joined the army (see earlier posting). He looks to have fought in the Boer War, so may have died then although can't see his name on the list of casualties, and his wife is noted as married in 1911 and not widowed. In which case where was he in 1911? Can't see anything in WW1 records, but his could be one of the many destroyed in WW2? So still haven't answered the original question. :-(
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31 Jan 2014 08:54 |
The G H Tolley who was in the Boer War, as posted above by Chris Ho, was awarded the Queens South Africa Medal - as were all personnel who served. From that, I would guess he survived the war?? Maybe??:
First Name: G H Surname: Tolley Nationality: British Rank: Private Service Number: 7391 Campaign Medals: Queens South Africa Medal
Queen's South Africa Medal (QSA) was awarded to G H Tolley and Military Personnel who served in the Boer War in South Africa between 11th October 1899 and 31 May 1902.
ADDED: the year of the record is given as 1902, so he was presumably awarded it at the end of the war, therefore survived:
# First Name Surname Rank Record Year Unit G H Tolley Private 1902 Leicestershire Regiment
(from www.forces-war-records.co.uk )
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Chris Ho :)
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31 Jan 2014 08:32 |
Got any Certs. Fred, as you work back?...
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31 Jan 2014 08:23 |
1871 TOLLEY, James Head M 29 1842 Warwickshire (Shoe Maker Unemployed) TOLLEY, Maria Wife F 25 1846 Leicestershire TOLLEY, John Son M 6 1865 Leicestershire TOLLEY, James Son M 4 1867 Leicestershire TOLLEY, Geo Hy Son M 2 1869 Leicestershire TOLLEY, Jessy Son M 0 1871 Leicestershire Piece: 3288 Folio: 94 Page: 7 Registration District: Leicester Civil Parish: All Saints Municipal Borough: Leicester Address: Vine Street, Lower, All Saints, Leicester County: Leicestershire
1881 WHITE, John Head Married M 59 1822 Dyer General St Mary, Leicestershire WHITE, Maria Wife Married F 35 1846 Shoe Machinist St Margaret, Leicestershire TOLLEY, John Step Son Single M 16 1865 Dyers Laborer All Saints, Leicestershire TOLLEY, James Step Son Single M 14 1867 Shoe Clicker All Saints, Leicestershire TOLLEY, George Step Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar All Saints, Leicestershire TOLLEY, Jessie Step Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar All Saints, Leicestershire WHITE, Gertrude Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Mary, Leicestershire Piece: 3177 Folio: 60 Page: 36 Registration District: Leicester Civil Parish: Leicester St Mary Municipal Borough: Address: 32, Dannet St, Leicester St Mary County: Leicestershire
(adding above, is this not the one?)
Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%) --------------------------------------------- Folley Maria Leicester 7a 488 WHITE John Leicester 7a 488
Chris :)
Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------- Pick Lois Mary Leicester 7a 374 Tolley George Henry Leicester 7a 374
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Gee
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31 Jan 2014 07:08 |
I think this is George' brother
Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
Name:Jesse Tolley
Birth Date:28 Feb 1874
Birth Location:Lester, Lestershire, England
Relative:Gertude White
Relationship:Half Sister<<<she shows on the 1881 census with him
British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
Name:Jesse Tolley
Gender:Male
Birth Year:abt 1870
Death Age:71
Death Date:12 Oct 1941
Death Location:Vancouver
Registration Number:1941-09-596507
BCA Number:B13173
GSU Number:1953633
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Gee
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31 Jan 2014 06:53 |
I think we have been following the wrong man, this is 'his' birth
Births Jun 1865 Tolley George Henry Halifax 9a 381
I've looked at the very well sourced trees at Ancestry and they have George' father as Samuel, mother, Martha
This is our George.
1871 England Census
Name: Geo My Tolley[Geo Hy Tolley]
Age:2
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1869
Relation:Son
Father's Name:James Tolley <<<Shoe maker, unemployed
Mother's Name:Maria Tolley
Gender:Male
Where born:Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish:All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints
Town:Leicester
County/Island:Leicestershire
Country:England
Registration District:Leicester
Sub-registration District:West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel:42
Household Schedule Number:43
Piece:3288 Folio:94 Page Number:7
Household Members:
James Tolley 29 Maria Tolley 25 John Tolley 6 James Tolley 4 Geo My Tolley 2 Jessy Tolley 1 Month
Maria later marries a 'White' and the children on censuses are 'step children'
Also the immigration year (for the wrong George) on the 1930 census shows as1886
His fathers death
Deaths Mar 1872 TOLLEY James 30 Leicester 7a 162
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Frederick
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31 Jan 2014 00:38 |
Thank you Chris for your help, Fred. :-)
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Chris Ho :)
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30 Jan 2014 09:22 |
Wonders what details are given for him on 1904 Birth, or Daughters Marriages?...(looking at links posted above, seems mysterious!)
Chris :) edits (think Frederick means below)
Births Jun 1868 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------- TOLLEY George Henry Leicester 7a 254
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Catherine
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30 Jan 2014 09:09 |
Thanks Chris. So military records fit with 1901 census. Looks as though we've found him. :-)
Just noticed, military records state he was discharged in 1894, so still haven't found him in 1911. However, if he fought in the Boer War, also then maybe he died in the Boer War?
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Catherine
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30 Jan 2014 09:06 |
A tree on ancestry has this info for the George Henry who died in USA:-
George Henry Tolley Birth 22 Feb 1865 in Brighouse, Yorkshire, (Now West Midlands) England Death 25 Oct 1931 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, USA
married to :-
Harriet Hargreaves Birth 29 Jul 1865 in Heywood, Lancashire, England Death 03 Sept 1939 in Lost at sea on HMS Athenia sank by German Sub
They also have daughter Marion although she is noted as being born in USA:-
Marion Tolley Birth 14 Feb 1904 in Denver, Colorado, USA Death 10 June 1974 in Colorado Springs, El Paso, Colorado, USA
So looks to be another George Henry Tolley :-(
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Chris Ho :)
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30 Jan 2014 08:57 |
First name(s): George Henry Last name: TOLLEY Calculated year of birth: 1868 Parish of birth: St Margarets Town of birth: Leicester County of birth: Leicestershire Age at attestation: 24 years 4 months Attestation date: 5 September 1892 Attestation corps: 3RD BATTALION LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT Attestation soldier number: 4559 Discharge rank: Discharge corps: Leicestershire Regiment - 17th Foot Discharge soldier number: The National Archives reference: WO96 (3 Pages. Shoe Finisher, Married, Two Children, 9, Dennett Street as Residence 5/9/1892. Discharge 9/4/1894)
Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902Name: TOLLEY, GH Rank: Private Rating: 7391 Unit: 3 Battalion The Leicestershire Regiment Notes: Age: Literary references: Medal roll (from National Archives WO100 series): RollPage 177 0
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Catherine
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30 Jan 2014 08:50 |
My sub. with Find my Past won't let me view this and can't see anything on ancestry but this may be relevant:-
George Henry Tolley, "United Kingdom, Militia Service Records, 1806-1915" Name: George Henry Tolley Event Type: Military Service Event Year Range: 1806-1915 Event Place: United Kingdom Birthplace: Leicestershire Birth Year (Estimated): 1868
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Catherine
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30 Jan 2014 08:37 |
This would be the birth of the Marion (aged 4yrs) travelling with William and Ellen to USA:-
Births Jun 1904 (>99%) Tolley Marion Martha Stourbridge 6c 146
Birth certificate will show who parents are.
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30 Jan 2014 07:57 |
Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell William Tolley Leicester 7a 511 TOLLEY Neva Mitchell Leicester 7a 511
(other Daughter?, any details from Cert.)
Chris :)
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lei.general/6128/mb.ashx
http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/leicesterforestwest/history-forum.html?topic=658033
(items above, google)
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