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I want to send for the marriage cert of :
Doris Louise Cole born 01/03/1920 Bideford Devon.....To Frank Cooper maybe born in Liverpool or Bootle....
They married in Bootle Lancashire in 1944...(they had a daughter born 1Q 1945 ) But there are 2 marriages.
1 ) Bootle 1Q 8b 352 1944
2 ) Bootle 2Q 8b 423 1944
The odd's on this must be high or could it be a mistake, I can only afford to buy one if anyone can help please., as i want to get Frank's birth cert too later x :-S
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I would say there is likely to be an error really. If local, you might see if the register office can assist, or email the GRO and explain the problem:
[email protected]
Jan
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Order it from the Lancashire Office...............
Go to LancsBMD site............and follow the instructions
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1944
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
COLE Doris L COOPER Frank Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/56
Lancs BMD has only one entry..............
BUT.............the images on FMP show two sets of records.............weird
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Thank you Folks, will have a go and order it...fingers crossed.
Ciao
Joanie
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Nice one Reggie, have learned something today!
Jan
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Could Frank have been in the army at the time? Perhaps they married in the first quarter of the year without the army's permission and had to go through a second ceremony to satisfy army requirements. I have heard of this happening before.
Kath. x
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Kath
Same thing happened in my family ,did not get permission to marry first from the
Army so had to do it all over again a few months down the track.
Ancestry also showing two sets of records
Sue
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If you look at the other names on the two pages, they are the same couples (although Frank isn't mention on p423) - possibly these were marriages that took place at the end of the quarter and the local RO sent them twice to the GRO? Or, as both marriages took place at St Leonards, maybe the vicar sent them twice to
the local RO?
FAIRHEAD Stanley KELLEY Maud Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton
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Potty, Frank is mistranscribed for page 423 the transcriber got the Vol number wrong so he is listed at Vol 8c page 423 instead of Vol 8b page 423,
Vol 8c is actualy Newton registration district
Marriages Jun 1944 (>99%)
CASEY John D Smith Newton 8c 423
COOPER Frank Cole Bootle 8c 423
Image clearly shows the volume number to be 8b
Roy
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I think Potty's right.
What's supposed to happen is this:
After a marr, the vicar has a few days to send a copy of the m.cert to the local registrar. At the end of each quarter, the district superintendent has copies made for the GRO. Allthough it's not relevant here, the superintendent also had copies made by his registrars and assistant registrars who maintained the birth and death regos in each subdistrict in his district - there was only one in Bootle which was a bit uncommon, but not rare. The superintendent also had a copy made of the marrs in his own marr register, which recorded rego office marrs, and marrs he (or his deputy) was required to attend if they weren't authorized to maintain an official marr rego (in 1944, these were mostly RCs). In the early days, the copies for the GRO were on extra big pages, and had twice as many entries per page as the local regos.
Anyways, at the end of each quarter, the superintendent gathers all the copies together. He's supposed to check them over, and make sure there's no sequence gaps cf the last quarter, then bundle them together and ship them off to the GRO.
Using the local indexes from http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ I've compiled the entries from Bootle, St Leonard plus a few entries from the churches that preceed and follow it in the GRO volume. What I've listed is a LancsBMD entry, with the [GRO page] appended.
Marriages Mar 1944
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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1944
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
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KEWN Marjorie ROSS Ernest S Bootle, St John South Sefton A28/5/102 [347]
KELLY George SLEIGHT Florence M Bootle, St John South Sefton A28/5/103 [347]
-----[348 is blank]-----------
BECKETT George POPE Edith W Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/50 [349]
HALLIWELL Lilian M TURNER Leo T Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/51 [349]
HOWELLS Robert H SMITH Eleanor Q Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/52 [350]
CRIBB Leslie H MILLS Elsie M Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/53 [350]
BATES Arthur HANKIN Irene Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/54 [351]
GREGORY Agnes E LEEK John E Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/55 [351]
**COLE Doris L COOPER Frank Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/56 [352]
**FAIRHEAD Stanley KELLEY Maud Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/57 [352]
**JACKSON Annie E JONES Thomas Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/58 [353]
-----[354 is blank]-----------
JOHANSON Margaret SEMPELS Constantinus L Bootle, St Mary South Sefton A6/8/172 [355]
DELAET * David DORAN Gladys Bootle, St Mary South Sefton A6/8/173 [355]
DELAET * David HULL Gladys Bootle, St Mary South Sefton A6/8/173
WEAVER Alice WRENCH Albert E D Bootle, St Mary South Sefton A6/8/174 [356]
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Marriages Jun 1944
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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1944
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
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DUNCAN James PARRY Ellen S Bootle, St John South Sefton A28/5/104 [421]
HAMMOND Mildred SHIPLEE Douglas J Bootle, St John South Sefton A28/5/105 [421]
HIPWOOD David L MCALLISTER Mary J Bootle, St John South Sefton A28/5/106 [422]
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**COLE Doris L COOPER Frank Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/56 [423]
**FAIRHEAD Stanley KELLEY Maud Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/57 [423]
**JACKSON Annie E JONES Thomas Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/58 [424]
BOALCH William F ROWLAND Joan Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/59 [424]
[348,354 are blank]
FERRIS Harold J LARKIN Doris F Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/60 [425]
CARRY Robert P WHITE Mary Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/61 [425]
-----[426 is blank]-----------
LOCKING Fred HOWARD Margaret A Bootle, St Mary South Sefton A6/8/176 [427]
LACROSSE Robert LAURENCE Alice M Bootle, St Mary South Sefton A6/8/177 [427]
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Marriages Sep 1944
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FELLOWS Emily SMITH Allan J D Bootle, St Leonard South Sefton A5/6/62
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Note the three ** entries appear at the end of 1944q1 and are duplicated at the start of 1944q2, so that's why I think Potty called it right.
NB Like many local refs, the ref here has 3 elements. E.g., A5/6/56
A5 is a code identifying the church (Bootle, St Leonard here);
6 identifies Bootle, St Leonard's 6th marr register;
56 identifies either a local register's page # or the register's entry #.
Most local indexes use an entry # as the 3rd element in a marr ref - this enables one to say who wed whom, which is useful pre-1912 when the GRO index doesn't usually resolve this issue.
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