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Sorry I thought I had replied to your message but apparantly I did not send it. I must admit to being slightly confused with this site. With regard to your last message that is the correct marriage for James I have the certificate. I feel that the Newent birth is a possible contender.I have a note of the civil bmd records but that does not show parents. with the info you have found I am tempted to send for a copy certificate thank you very much
Joan


Hi Joan

I think that is a good idea re the birth certificate

Come back and let us know what it says, when it arrives

Have you checked out these deaths?

Name: Eliza Davies
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 1879
Event Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Age: 40
Birth Date:
Page: 381
Volume: 8
Registration Quarter: 1
Affiliate Line Number: 2

Name: John Davies
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 1875
Event Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Age: 36
Birth Date:
Page: 399
Volume: 8
Registration Quarter: 1
Affiliate Line Number: 312

Name: Charles A. Chanter
Birth Date:
Birthplace: England
Age:
Spouse's Name: Lillian Davies
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace: England
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 12 Mar 1889
Event Place: Racine, Wisconsin
Father's Name: Theo. B. Chanter
Mother's Name: Isabel E. Scott
Spouse's Father's Name: Wm. Priscott
Spouse's Mother's Name: Sadie Adams
Race: White
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race: White
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00328-6
System Origin: Wisconsin-EASy
GS Film number: 1275507
Reference ID: P77 #076

But if John died in 1875 and she remarried to Charles Chanter and went to America in 1882 using the name Lily (why) and changing her age none of it makes any sense. I can't fit 10-11 children in 4 years even if she had twins and triplets!

13 children in under 12 years?

I know it's possible, but................

Also, you refer to two diphtheria epidemics.........one in Bristol, and one in Everton

The only thing I can find that comes anywhere near to what you are saying is this death record

Name: Lillian D. Chanter
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 1893
Event Place: Kilbourn City, Columbia, Wisconsin
Address:
Residence Place:
Gender: Female
Age: 46
Marital Status:
Race:
Occupation:
Birth Date:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1847
Birthplace:
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Cemetery:
Father's Name: William E. Pincott
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace:
Spouse's Name: Charles H. Chanter
Spouse's Titles and Terms:
Reference ID: p269
Additional Relatives:
GS Film Number: 1310176
Frame Number:
Digital Folder Number: 4207425
Image Number: 266

http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/WI/WI-idx?type=article&did=WI.WSHS1892.I0070&id=WI.WSHS1892&isize=text

Baptism
Surname:Chanter
Forenames:Charles Archibald
Father's Forename:Thomas Burnard
Mother's Forename:Isabella
Father's Occupation:Gent.
Year:1837
Month:Jan
Day:12
Abode:Retreat Cottage
Parish:Northam
Town Or City:
County:Devon


Groom's Forenames:Charles Archibald (Bachelor. Gentleman)
Groom's Surname:Chanter
Groom's Age:22
Groom's parish:
Event Year:1859
Event Month:May
Event Day:14
Bride's Forenames:Mary
Bride's Surname:Taplin
Bride's Age:38
Bride's Parish:
Place:Plymouth
Parish:St Andrew's
County:Devon
Page:117
Groom's Father's Forenames:Thomas Burnard (Merchant)
Groom's Father's Surname:Chanter
Bride's Father's Forenames:Thomas
(her Father, Thomas Taplin, Lieutenant R.N.)


1871
CHANTER, Charles A Head M 34 1837 Devon (Photographer)
CHANTER, Mary Wife F 40 1831 Devon
Piece: 2363
Folio: 13
Page: 18
Registration District: Wellington
Civil Parish: Wellington
Municipal Borough:
Address: North Terrace, Wellington
County: Somersetshire

1881
CHANTER, Charles A Boarder Married M 44 1837 Photographic Artist
Bideford, Devon
Piece: 5287
Folio: 111
Page: 47
Registration District: Cardiff
Civil Parish: Roath
Municipal Borough:
Address: 67, Stacey Rd, Roath
County: Glamorganshire


http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/22792/pages/6305/page.pdf

In the Matter of Charles Archibald Chanter, formerly of. Sussex-road, Southsea, Hants, Pistolgraphist and Photo- grapher, Bankrupt


Name:Chas A Chanter
Arrival Date17 Apr 1882
Birth Date:abt 1853
Age:29
Gender:Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:English Place of Origin:
England
Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:
United States of America
Port of Arrival:
New York, New York
Ship Name:Alaska
(with Lilly 26?, and Mary (Infant)

(not sure if fitting!)

Chris :)

Reggie Thank you for your interest I have a marriage certificate for James Lloyd Davies dated 27 July 1863 Church of Holy Trinity, Brompton, Middx. He was a Schoolmaster and his father Charles Davies an Independant Minister. After James died about 1875 his wife Eliza Pincott married Charles A Chanter a botanist and the left for America. James and Eliza had thirteen children ten of them died in infancy during a diptheria epidemic in Bristol. I have no names for these ten they were born and died between census returns. Joan

Thank you for your interest. I have found four birth records a for James Lloyd registered Abergavenny all registered 1840 non fitted the information that I have. I have his marriage certificate dated 27 July 1863. He married Eliza Pincott at Brompton Midx. James was a schoolmaster and his father Charles Davies an Independant Minister,
James and Eliza had thirteen children, ten died in infancy during a diptheria epidemic in Bristol. After James died about 1875 his wife Eliza somtimes known as Lilian married Charles A Chanter a botanist and went to America, I have the 1871 census for Southport showing James as ' Author of School Books born Gloucestershire but the family
stories say Abergavenny! thay also say he could be 'a bit loose with the truth' I am inclined to think he was registered not born at Abergavenny.
Meanwhile I keep an open mind. Joan

Joan, you have marked your thread as answered but it's not


For ref



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:James Lloyd Davies

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840

Age:23

Spouse Name:Eliza Pincott

Spouse Age:24

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:27 Jul 1863

Parish:Brompton Holy Trinity

Borough:Kensington and Chelsea

Father Name:Charles Davies

Spouse Father:William Ebinzer Pincott

Register Type:Parish Register



When did Eliza marry Chanter? Not seeing that marriage

What about this...............no middle name though



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:James Davies

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:9 Aug 1840

Baptism Place:Newent,Gloucester,England

Father: Charles Davies

Mother: Anne

FHL Film Number:91535



Births Mar 1840
Davies James Monmouth 26 89



Wonder if Joan has got a little muddled with the registration district and thinks he was born in Monmouthshire, which is the County for Abergavenny

Hello Joan and welcome to the Community boards.


It rather looks as though she may have been following the wrong person. I'll send her a message to let her know she has some replies. :-)

The census says he was born in Gloucestershire, so why have we been asked to look for info in Abergavenny?

Especially as the Abergavenny info has been discounted on another site?

James LLoyd Davies Methodist Minister born 1840 Abergavenny.married Eliza Pincott 1863. Father Charles

I have the 1871 census for Southport showing James his wife Eliza son Charles 4 born Cardiff and daughter Winifred Maud 2 born Weston. the next child Bertie was born 1873 Everton.
The census describes James as an author of school books. His marriage certificate states he was a school teacher. I am inclined to doubt the family story that he was a Methodist Minister. The marriage certificate also states the father Charles was an Independant Minister.
James and Eliza had 13 children 12 boys and 1 girl. 10 of the boys died in Everton during a diptheria epidemic I have no names.
What I need is the birth of James. I did find a James Lloyd Davies born Abergavenny 1840 but he was the wrong one. Any advice would be appreciated. Joan

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=187744;area=showposts;start=0

Chris :)

1871
DAVIS, James Head M 30 1841 Gloucestershire
DAVIS, Eliza Wife F 28 1843 Somerset Bristol
DAVIS, Charles H Son M 4 1867 Glamorgan Cardiff
DAVIS, Winifred M Daughter F 2 1869 Somerset Weston
Piece: 3876
Folio: 116
Page: 19
Registration District: Ormskirk
Civil Parish: North Meols
Municipal Borough: Southport
Address: Zetland Street, North Meols, Southport
County: Lancashire


edits (Birth below?)

Name:DAVIES, Winifred Maud
Registration district: [?]Axbridge
County:Somerset
Year of registration:1869
Quarter of registration:Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name:Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no:[?]5C
Page no:[?]594


Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Davies Winnifred Maud Axbridge 5c 594


1861
PINCOTT, William E Head Married M 43 1818
Bristol, Somerset
PINCOTT, Sarah Wife F 44 1817
Gosport, Hampshire
PINCOTT, Frederick J Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Merchantile Clerk
Bristol, Somerset
PINCOTT, Sarah Daughter F 14 1847 Scholar
Almondsbury, Gloucestershire
PINCOTT, Martha Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
London, Middlesex
PINCOTT, Emily Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Portsea, Hampshire
PINCOTT, William H Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Bristol, Somerset
HARRIS, Mary Servant Unmarried F 32 1829 House Servant
Fishguard, Pembrokeshire
Piece: 4102
Folio: 106
Page: 18
Registration District: Swansea
Civil Parish: Swansea
Municipal Borough: Swansea
Address: 76, Spirit Shop, Oxford Street, Swansea
County: Glamorganshire

1871
PINCOTT, William E Head M 53 1818 Gloucestershire (Commercial Traveller)
PINCOTT, Sarah Wife F 54 1817 Hampshire
PINCOTT, Martha Daughter F 22 1849 London
Piece: 5365
Folio: 9
Page: 14
Registration District: Cardiff
Civil Parish: Canton
Municipal Borough:
Address: Cowbridge Rd, Canton
County: Glamorganshire

Davies John Lloyd 1835 Baptism Denbighshire RG4_3489

http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/

(not sure if right area?) ( also,sorry, not a James!)

Chris :)

edits (wrong Father)

John Lloyd Davies
Birth Date:
15 Sep 1835
Gender:
Male
Father:
Wm Davies
Mother:
Elinor Lloyd
29 Sep 1835
Baptism Place:
Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Denomination:
Independent

edit: Not this one

Name: James Lloyd Davies
Event Type: Birth
Event Year: 1838
Event Place: Newcastle In Emlyn, Cardiganshire, Wales
County: Cardiganshire
Page: 571
Volume: 26
Registration Quarter: 4
Mother's Maiden Name:

Where did you find the info about his father? And about the birthplace?

Is either of these relevant?

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
DAVIES James Lloyd Kensington 1a 11

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
DAVIES James Lloyd Aberystwith 11b 90

Does anyone out there have access to Abergavenny baptism records that would be willing to do a look up ? The father of James was Charles Davies an Independant Minister mother not known. Any help with this brick wall would be appreciated. grannyjoan

My thanks to the kind people who responded to my request. I have to close this thread for the time being . Due to unforseen circumstances I shall be away for awhile. grannyjoan