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Annie Malita Renwick (known as Malita) born 1922 to English parents on Malta. Father George Renwick mother Annie. Looking for date and ship Mother and baby sailed back to England. We think it was on the P&O line.
Thanks your help

Only seeing these for her father going out to Malta - not even seeing any of him returning!!!

Name: Lieutenant Commander G Renwick
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 28 Apr 1934
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Malta
Ship Name: Kaisar I Hind
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Shipping Line: P&O Sn Company
Official Number: 128653
Master: W A Cotching

Name: Lietenant Commander G Renwick
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 30 Mar 1935
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Malta
Ship Name: Ranpura
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Shipping Line: P and O Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 148119
Master: G H S Furlong

Name: Lieutenant G E Renwick Royal Naval Reserve
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 22 Nov 1923
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name: Goorkha
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Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail S S Co Ltd
Official Number: 106917
Master: C R Purse

Name: G F Renwick
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 9 Jan 1926
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Malta
Ship Name: Nagoya
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Shipping Line: Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 135323
Master: H C Davis


Name: Lieutenant G T Renwick
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 6 Jun 1930
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Malta
Ship Name: Malwa
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Shipping Line: Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 127543
Master: P O Butten


Name: Lietenant Commander G F Renwick
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 29 Mar 1935
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Malta
Ship Name: Ranpura
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Shipping Line: P and O Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 148119
Master: G H S Furloy


Name: Lieutenant Commander G F Renwick
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 4 Jan 1936
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Port Said, Egypt
Ship Name: Orontes
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Shipping Line: Orient Line
Official Number: 146027
Master: F R Osullivan

Thank you for you help but I don't think any are right as they are too modern, I think George was an engineer in the Royal Navy.

Anne

Hello Anne, are you sure she was born 1922 as stated in your opening post?

It's just that this 1911 census seems too much of a coincidence ...

RENWICK, Annie Elizabeth Wife Married14 years F 37 1874 Sunderland Burham
RENWICK, Annie Melita Daughter F 11 1900 Malta
RENWICK, Irene Victoria Daughter F 4 1907 Gillingham Kent

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3948
Reference: RG14PN3948 RG78PN150 RD47 SD2 ED19 SN159
Registration District: Medway
Sub District: Gillingham
Enumeration District: 19
Parish: Gillingham

Address: 31 Nile Road Gillingham Kent County: Kent

Hmm, there was an Annie M Renwick MARRIED in 1922 ...

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Annie M Renwick
Spouse : Arthur H Webber
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1922
Registration District: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 484

The Annie from the 1911 census was in England 1901:

RENWICK, Annie Head Married F 27 1874 Sunderland, Durham
RENWICK, Annie M Daughter F 1 1900 Malta (British Subject)

Piece: 735 Folio: 14 Page: 19
Registration District: Medway
Civil Parish: Gillingham

Address: 24, Saunders Street, Gillingham County: Kent

Name Renwick, George
Official Number: 268054
Place of Birth: Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
Date of Birth: 15 January 1873

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm

(Navy Record can be downloaded £3.36)

(wonder if above?)

Chris :)

1901
RENWICK, George Member Of Crew Married M 28 1873 Engine Room Artificer 3rd Class
Newcastle on Tyne
Piece: 5334
Folio: 114
Page: 16
Registration District: Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Vessel: "thetis"4th Class Twin Screw Cruiser 2nd Class

This 1911 fits with the wife and family in Kent:

1911 England Census about George Renwick
Name: George Renwick
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Engine Room Artificer
Birth Place: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Mediterranean
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Marital status: Married
Registration District Number: 640
ED, institution, or vessel: Vessels
Piece: 34973

I'm not sure that there would be records of domestic passengers between Malta and England.

I think this is the marriage:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: George Renwick
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896
Registration District: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 419

Records on Page:
Name
Thomasine Addison
Frederick William English
George Renwick
Annie Elizabeth Taylor

Oh silly me I should have thought, Malita's daughter my second cousin gave me the info and she was 90 in September so was born in 1923. Malita married my great Uncle Arthur Holberton.Webber. Arthur's brother George was on the Ophir when she took King Goerge V and Queen Mary on their world tour. He served as a Royal Marine. My cousin knows that her grandfather was stationed in Malta and Malita was born there.
She is trying to find out if the two were there at the same time .The Ophir was in Malta from 25th March to 27 March 1901 I realise that it is nearly impossible to find out but I gave my cousin Harry's Price's book The Royal Tour for her birthday and she realised the dates possibly matched.

Thanks your help
Anne

Hello Anne, when you say "She is trying to find out if the two were there at the same time" could you clarify which two?

Do you mean Arthur Holberton Webber and his brother George, or Arthur Holberton Webber and George Renwick?

I am sorry to be confusing
What my cousin wants to know is could George Webber ( her Father's brother) and George and Annie Renwick ( her Mother's parents) and Malita ( her Mother) christened Annie Malita, have been in Malta at the same time.
We think we know
George Webber was a Royal Marine ( I have his service Record)
George Webber served on the HMS Ophir when it took the future King George V and Queen Mary on a world tour
The HMS Ophir docked in Malta 25th March to 27th March 2011 ( Harry Price's book)
Malita Renwick was born on Malta. Her father was a coppersmith in the Royal Navy. Mother and daughter left Malta when Malita was small on a P&O liner. Father stayed in Malta.

We now know
George Renwick was in the Royal Navy as a coppersmith. He served on the HMS Thetis from 25 Nov 1898 to 8 June 01 ( thank you Chris Ho I downloaded his service record as you suggested)
Your 1911 census shows Malita was born in 1900 in Malta
Does the 1901 census include Annie and her child?

What we would like to know is
When did Malita and her Mother leave Malta and on what liner. ( need a passenger list look up)
Was the HMS Thetis in Malta when the Future King and Queen was there. ( we rather think he was as Price's book says " The noise became defining as over 40 men of war began the salute"

Thanks Anne

Hello Anne, if you look above at my post of 24 Jan 2014 20:01 you'll see that I've posted the 1901 for wife Annie and daughter who were already home in Kent.

I also said at 20:18 "I'm not sure that there would be records of domestic passengers between Malta and England." - passenger lists were mainly inter-continental. The only way they would be recorded coming from Malta would be if the voyage had initially originated outside of Europe. Already checked passenger lists and can't see them (but someone else might see something I've missed?).

Annie Melita Renwick was born 25 Jan 1900 (per her death record), the 1901 census was taken 31 March so that's a window of 15 months for them to have come to England from Malta. You say in your post above "The HMS Ophir docked in Malta 25th March to 27th March 2011" - should that year be 1901?

If the year IS 1901 then could Annie Elizabeth and daughter Annie Melita have got back to Kent in time for the census?

On the 1891 census for Arthur Holberton Webber he has a brother George F Webber born Plympton, so I'm guessing this is that same brother in 1901:

1901 census transcription details for: "ophir" Royal Yacht

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 5328 Folio: 125 Page: 22
Reg. District: Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad

County: Royal Navy at Sea and in ports abroad

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WEBBER, George F Members Of Crew Single M 20 1881 Bugler R M Plymouth, Devonshire

When the census was taken 31 Mar 1901 the ship was docked at Great Bitter Lake, Suez Canal, Egypt. The census cover records that it was voyaging to Australia and the colonies.

So to summarise where everyone was on the 31 March 1901:

George F Webber - on the Ophir in the Suez Canal

George Renwick - on the Thetis in St Helena, The Cape of Good Hope, South Africa

Annie Elizabeth and Annie Melita Renwick - in Gillingham Kent.

I've no idea how long it would take a ship to get from Malta to either of the two places the ships were at on the 31st.

Thanks your help - you have done a lot better that I expected

Anne

I think the log of the Thetis for that period would probably say where it docked and when:

Reference:ADM 53/16053
Description: THETIS

Date: 1901 Feb. 24 - 1901 June 8
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

Thanks I have found what you suggest but it is not yet digitised so will go to Kew next week
Anne