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Barbara
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21 Jan 2014 15:54 |
Have printed all the info out (thank you so much for all your help) and will let my friend have a look at it all and see if they want to get certificates etc - Thanks again everyone
Regards Barbara
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Barbara
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21 Jan 2014 15:13 |
Only just logged on today (although as you can see I was on the PC until 2am researching - once I get going, I have to keep on), you know how it is.
Thank you so much for all your help everyone. We go on hols in a couple of days time but I will certainly contact Derek when we get back, if not before
Thank you so much everyone
Barbara
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greyghost
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21 Jan 2014 11:33 |
You could try contacting Derek on his thread, he has parish records for much of Derbyshire and also visits Matlock Records Office
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073
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greyghost
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21 Jan 2014 10:44 |
Parents married 1884 so you can probably (but not definitely) rule out the births prior to that.
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: GILL, Samuel Registration district: Chesterfield County: Derbyshire Year of registration: 1884 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 7B Page no: 1203 MarriageFinder: Samuel Gill married one of the following people:
BACON, Maria <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SAUNDERS, Elizabeth BRYAN, Thomas
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Catherine
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21 Jan 2014 10:04 |
More possible children:-
Births Mar 1893 (>99%) Gill Albert Henry Chesterfield 7b 764 Deaths Sep 1893 (>99%) Gill Albert Henry 0 Chesterfield 7b 440
Births Dec 1895 (>99%) Gill Dominic Chesterfield 7b 717 Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%) Gill Dominic 0 Chesterfield 7b 403
Births Mar 1897 (>99%) Gill Harold Chesterfield 7b 783 Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%) Gill Harold 1 Chesterfield 7b 492
Births Sep 1896 (>99%) Gill Selina Chesterfield 7b 771 Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%) Gill Selina 2 Chesterfield 7b 422
Births Dec 1898 (>99%) Gill Gladys Chesterfield 7b 739 Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%) Gill Gladys 1 Chesterfield 7b 443
Births Sep 1894 (>99%) Gill Elizabeth Ann Chesterfield 7b 675 Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%) Gill Elizabeth Ann 5 Chesterfield 7b 551
Births Jun 1900 (>99%) Gill Victoria May Chesterfield 7b 774 Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%) Gill Victoria May 0 Chesterfield 7b 480
.................the only way to check these to see which, if any are correct, is to find a baptism record, or as I said earlier to buy the certificates. Some record offices will do checks for you if you state the name of the parents but here there are so many possibilities they may refuse, but it's worth asking they can only say no.
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Catherine
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21 Jan 2014 09:43 |
1891 the family are living Reg.Dist. Chesterfield:-
Gill births (reg.dist. Chesterfield) show births:-
Births Sep 1881 (>99%) Gill Percy Robinson Chesterfield 7b 641
Births Jun 1883 (>99%) GILL Gertrude Chesterfield 7b 747
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Deaths Dec 1881 (>99%) Gill Percy Robinson 0 Chesterfield 7b 378
Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%) GILL Gertrude 0 Chesterfield 7b 341
.................so these are two possible children. Unfortunately the only way to find out if these are the children of Samuel and Maria is to buy the birth certificates.
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Catherine
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21 Jan 2014 08:56 |
Just for ref:-
1891 Herbert Gill 6 Mary J Gill 4 Maria A Gill 1 .................................................
1901 (correct family) George H White 19 Maria White 12 Samuel White 7 John White 5 Louisa White 2 ..............................................
1911 GILL, George Herbert Son Single M 25 1886 Miner Hewer Pilsley Derbyshire VIEW GILL, Samuel Son Single M 17 1894 Miner Ponydriver Belowground Pilsley Derbyshire VIEW GILL, John Son Single M 14 1897 Miner Lamp Cleaner Aboveground Pilsley Derbyshire VIEW
GILL, Lousia Daughter Single F 12 1899 Pilsley Derbyshire VIEW
GILL, Ann Daughter F 8 1903 Mexborough Yks VIEW GILL, James William Son M 3 1908 Fryston Yks
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(Mary Jane is missing from the census records after 1891)
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Catherine
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21 Jan 2014 08:45 |
This seems to be Maria in 1911, now married:-
1911 England Census about Maria Ann Knowling Name: Maria Ann Knowling Age in 1911: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Pilsley, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Ferry Fryston County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street Address: 18 School St Fryston Castleford Marital Status: Married Registration District: Pontefract Registration District Number: 505 Sub-registration District: Knottingley ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 27450 Household Members: Name Age George Henry Knowling 23 Maria Ann Knowling 21 George William Knowling 2
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West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Maria Ann Gill Name: Maria Ann Gill Birth Year: abt 1889 Age: 19 Marriage or Bann Date: 2 May 1908 Parish: Ferry Fryston, St Andrew (Ferrybridge) Father's Name: Samuel Gill Spouse's Name: George Henry Knowling Spouse's Father's Name: George Knowling
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Catherine
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21 Jan 2014 08:40 |
Baptisms for some of the children:-
Samuel Gill England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 22 December 1895 Pilsley, Derbyshire, England residence: Pilsley (near Chesterfield), Derbyshire, England father: Samuel Gill mother: Maria Anne
John Gill England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 14 March 1897 Pilsley, Derbyshire, England residence: Pilsley (near Chesterfield), Derbyshire, England father: Samuel Gill mother: Maria
Maria Anne Gill England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 17 April 1892 Pilsley, Derbyshire, England father: Samuel Gill mother: Maria Anne
George Herbert Gill England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 21 September 1887 PILSLEY NEAR CHESTERFIELD, DERBY, ENGLAND residence: Pilsley (near Chesterfield), Derbyshire, England father: Samuel Gill mother: Maria
Mary Jane Gill England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910 christening: 21 January 1887 Pilsley, Pilsley, Derbyshire, England father: Samuel Gill mother: Maria Ann Gill
Mary Jane Gill England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 21 September 1887 PILSLEY NEAR CHESTERFIELD, DERBY, ENGLAND residence: Pilsley (near Chesterfield), Derbyshire, England father: Samuel Gill mother: Maria
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21 Jan 2014 07:22 |
Have you systematically looked at all the possible births in the gaps between the births that you have found, in the appropriate areas, and then looked for corresponding deaths?
If there are too many of these, and they only show on free bmd not any local registers, then the only way would be to buy a lot of certificates.
Have you looked for the missing person staying at grandparents or other relatives?
Have you made contact with anyone who has this family in their trees on here - just in case they are descended from the 'missing' sibling?
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Barbara
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21 Jan 2014 02:05 |
I have been helping a friend research their family tree. We are looking at the family of George Herbert Gill (b.1886, Pilsley, Derbyshire - died, 1968, Pontefract) and his family.
His parents Samuel GILL (b.1865, Stanley, W Yorkshire ) and Maria Ann BACON (b.1867, Whitwick, Leics) state on the 1911 census that they have had 11 live births but only 9 are stated as being alive in 1911.
By tracking them back in the 1911, 1901 and 1891 census we have discovered only 8 of these:- George Herbert (b.1886), Mary Jane (b.1887), Maria Ann (b.1896), Samuel (b. 1894), John (b.1897) all born in Pilsley, Louisa (b.1899), Ann (b.1903, in Mexborough) and James William (b. 1908 in Fryston)
We would like to find details of the other 3 (especially the other one would would seem to be still alive in 1911) - we have tried Free BMD.
I realise that two of them may have been born and died between the censuses, but would like to try and trace details re the ninth one who survived.
Many thanks for any help you are able to give. Thank you Barbara
PS - At the time of the 1911 census, they are at 12 Smith Street, Fryston, Nr Castleford, West Yorkshire.
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