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Think she may have been younger than stated on death cert.

or else she was not reg. at birth

could she have been farmed out .???

we know no child with them 1911

Freda Burgess mentioned in a newspaper report age 24y lost a child
date 11th May 1912

Mavis

This is very strange. They say they have no children born and none that have died.

1911 census transcription details for: 51 Nowell Lane Harehills Lane Leeds
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN27106 RG78PN1550 RD500 SD5 ED15 SN36
Reg. District: Leeds
Sub District: North East Leeds
Parish: Leeds
Enum. District: 15
Address: 51 Nowell Lane Harehills Lane Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
JACKSON, Arthur Head Married M 25 1886 Drayman G P R West St Leeds Yorks
JACKSON, Freda Wife Married F 23 1888 Finchley Hertfordshire

Oh and.. where was the baby in the 1911 census? They didn't say they had a child, dead or alive?

Thank you Mavis! Do you mind me asking where you located this?
She was creative with surnames wasn't she?! Why would she call Arthur a Burgess when we know he was a Jackson?
So does this mean that in 1912 she was living in the Sculcoates Union Workhouse and yet in 1914 she was supposed to be living with Arthur in Egton Street. I'm confused again!

Located the 1st childs death not sure where she may have been born or which surname -- she may have been just a female

24th April 1912 -Sculcoates Infirmary -- Dorothy Burgess -- 20 months --daughter of Arthur Burgess a Railway drayman of 13 Victoria Terrace - Waterloo Street -UD-- General wasting Tuberculosis of bowels -- informant Freda Burgess mother --Sculcoates Union Workhouse Hull

think birth Aug Q or Sep Q 1910 before marriage of Arthur Jackson and Freda Hebdon Dec Q 1910 Leeds

Mavis

Looks like John Thomas Hebdon and his second wife had 5 children between 1915 and 1924. May be worth checking to see if they are on any trees on here?

If we are on the right track, Albert would be a half brother to Emily.

Name: Albert T Hebdon
Spouse Surname: Brough, Evelyn E. A.
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration District: Thirsk
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 843

Look on Freebmd - there's a couple of children from that marriage. You can then see if they are on any trees on here.


EDIT

One died young

Name: Alan Hebdon
Birth Date: abt 1918
Date of Registration: Dec 1940
Age at Death: 22
Registration District: Thirsk
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 795



How sad, so did the other child

Name: Joseph C Hebdon
Birth Date: abt 1927
Date of Registration: Jun 1938
Age at Death: 11
Registration District: Thirsk
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 420




Name: Albert Thomas Hebdon
Birth Date: 1897
Date of Registration: Mar 1982
Age at Death: 85
Registration District: Northallerton
Inferred County: North Yorkshire
Volume: 2
Page: 2510


Name: Evelyn Elizabeth A Hebdon
Birth Date: 4 Nov 1890
Date of Registration: Jun 1975
Age at Death: 84
Registration District: Northallerton
Inferred County: North Yorkshire
Volume: 2
Page: 2191




Name: John T Hebdon
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Mar 1936
Age at Death: 65
Registration District: Thirsk
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 637

Name: John Thomas Hebdon of Thirlby Grange, Thirlby near Thirsk
Probate Date: 14 Mar 1936
Death Date: 29 Jan 1936
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Registry: Yorkshire, England


Probate to his widow Violet Catherine

Thank you!! Very much appreciated.. Will look into it!

The marriage which may be Emily Brewer who married Alfred Burgess in 1887
her death age 32y in 1898 is right and also may prove why Freda / Emily is Burgess / Hebdon

a copy needed to prove Zoe

Marriages Jun 1896
Burgess Emily Thirsk 9d 681
Hebdon John Thomas Thirsk 9d 681

pat on the back for all concerned

Mavis

There seems to be 2 births for Emily Burgess could she have been reg twice

June Q 1889

Emily Burgess --- Barnet 3a - 226 [Finchley]
Emily Burgess --- Watford 3a 585 [Shenley]

Mavis

Looks as if you kind researchers are coming to the rescue -- well done -
I've had the morning of - went to Eastbourne - very pleasant

was Freda a Emily Burgess ??? onwards we go

Mavis :-)

This should be the John Hebdon who married Emily Burgess


1901 England Census
about John T Hebden
Name:John T Hebden
Age:30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1871
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Father:John Hebden
Mother:Mary Hebden
Birth Place:Tunstall, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Felixkirk
Town:Felixkirk
County/Island:Yorkshire
Country:England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Neighbors:
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Household Members
Name
Age

John Hebden 60
Mary Hebden 62
>>> John T Hebden 30 Widower
Ada Hebden 25
Albert T Hebden 4
Herbert W Thompson 15


Still living with parents in 1911. Widower.


Andy

Thank you to everyone for taking the time to look for Freda! Was losing hope as she hasn't made it easy to trace her

Emily with her family.


1871 census transcription details for: Hope Terrace, Toddington
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1559
Folio: 32
Page: 22
Reg. District: Woburn
Sub District: Toddington
Parish: Toddington
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hope Terrace, Toddington
County: Bedfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BREWER, Sophia Head F 42 1829 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Ann Daughter F 20 1851 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Jane Daughter F 18 1853 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Joseph Son M 16 1855 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1857 Bedfordshire
BREWER, John Son M 10 1861 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Mary Daughter F 8 1863 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Emily Daughter F 6 1865 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Sarah Daughter F 4 1867 Bedfordshire
BREWER, Thomas A Son M 0 1871 Bedfordshire


1881 census transcription details for: Frabley Gardens, Shenley (Herts)
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1368
Folio: 35
Page: 27
Reg. District: Barnet
Sub District: South Mimms
Parish: Shenley (Herts)
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Frabley Gardens, Shenley (Herts)
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BREWER, George Head Married M 50 1831 Coachman Domic Serv
Toddington, Bedfordshire
BREWER, Sophia Wife Married F 49 1832 Laundress
Toddington, Bedfordshire
BREWER, Sarah Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Toddington, Bedfordshire
BREWER, Thomas Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Toddington, Bedfordshire



1881 census transcription details for: Woodlands Cotgs, Hamlet Of Theobald St, Aldenham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1434
Folio: 35
Page: 9
Reg. District: Watford
Sub District: Bushey
Parish: Aldenham
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Woodlands Cotgs, Hamlet Of Theobald St, Aldenham
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
EAMES, George Head Married M 32 1849 Agr Labr
St Stephens, Hertfordshire
EAMES, Anne Wife Married F 27 1854
London St Marylebone, London, Middlesex
EAMES, George T Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
St Stephens, Hertfordshire
EAMES, Emily H Daughter Single F 3 1878
Aldenham, Hertfordshire
EAMES, Ada T J Daughter Single F 0 1881
Aldenham, Hertfordshire
FITZJOHN, John Lodger Single M 57 1824 Agr Labr
Aldenham, Hertfordshire
TOMALIN, Elizabeth Servant Married F 34 1847 Housekeeper
Great Cheverell, Wiltshire
>>BREWER, Emily Servant Single F 17 1864 Domestic Serv Housemaid
Toddington

Hi Zoe - see you got jumped on for 'posting twice' too! even though you mentioned that at the beginning! Off to go and have a look and see if I can help :)

????

1891

Name: Emly Burgess
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: John Brewer
Gender: Female
Where born: Shenley, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Shenley
Ecclesiastical parish: Shenley
Town: Shenley
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Barnet
Sub-registration District: South Mimms
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1052
Folio: 20
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
George Brewer 62
Sophia Brewer 61
John Brewer 30
Sophia Brewer 6
Emly Burgess 2
James Brewer 9/12


Births Jun 1889 Burgess Emily Barnet 3a 226

???

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Burgess Emily Thirsk 9d 681 Scan available - click to view
Hebdon John Thomas Thirsk 9d 681

Just going to check this one out.


EDIT Maybe her death?


Parish Record Collection - Burial Record
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Year: 1898
Age: 32
Years: 32
Forenames: Emily
Surname: HEBDON
Place: Felixkirk
Description: St Felix
County: Yorkshire N. Riding
Country: England
Notes:
Record source: Cleveland Memorial Inscriptions
Data provider: Cleveland Family History Society


Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 - Burial
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First name(s): John Thomas
Last name HEBDON
Date of burial: 2 Feb 1936
Age at death: 65
Calculated year of birth: 1871
Place of burial: Felixkirk
Dedication: St Felix
County: Yorkshire (North Riding)



Felixkirk is a village and civil parish in the Hambleton district of North Yorkshire, England. The village is situated about three miles north-east of Thirsk.



1901 census transcription details for: Carpenters Arms, Felixkirk
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4548
Folio: 32
Page: 3
Reg. District: Thirsk
Sub District: Sutton
Parish: Felixkirk
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: Feliskirk St Felix
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Carpenters Arms, Felixkirk
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HEBDEN, John Head Married M 60 1841 Farmer
Sctton, Yorkshire
HEBDEN, Mary Wife Married F 62 1839
Bishop Thornton, Yorkshire
>>HEBDEN, John T Son Widower M 30 1871 Farmers Son
Tunstall, Yorkshire
HEBDEN, Ada Daughter Single F 25 1876
Tunstall, Yorkshire
HEBDEN, Albert T Grand Son Single M 4 1897
Patley Bridge, Yorkshire
THOMPSON, Herbert W Servant Single M 15 1886 Yardman On Farm
Feliskirk, Yorkshire


1911 census transcription details for: Farm Felix Kirk Thirsk
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN29057 RG78PN1679 RD530 SD3 ED4 SN14
Reg. District: Thirsk
Sub District: Sutton
Parish: Felixkirk Thirlby
Enum. District: 4
Address: Farm Felix Kirk Thirsk
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HEBDEN, John Widower M 69 1842 Farmer Hipswell Yorks
>>HEBDEN, John Thomas Son Widower M 40 1871 Farmers Son Working On Farm Tunstall Yorks
HEBDEN, Ada Daughter Single F 35 1876 Dairy Wiorker Tunstall Yorks
HEBDEN, Albert Thomas Grandson M 14 1897 Patley Bridge Yorks

Got to go out very shortly but will look back later.

I wonder who this is?

1901

Name: Emily Burgers
[Emily Burgess]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Shenley, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Shenley
Town: Shenley
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Perry 50
Martha Perry 52
Emily Burgers 12

Pssible marriage

e First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
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BREWER Emily Barnet 3a 297
BURGESS Alfred Barnet 3a 297



Andy

1891

Name: Emily Burgess
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Toddington, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Shenley
Ecclesiastical parish: Shenley
Town: Shenley
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Barnet
Sub-registration District: South Mimms
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1052
Folio: 48
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry D Anderson 52
Frances M Anderson 51
Francis H Anderson 23
Eveline R Anderson 19
James O Anderson 19
Edward M Strouts 22
Mary Woods 50
Emily Burgess 25 <<<<< WIDOW
Nellie Brand 18
Eliza Andrews 19
Ellen Hooper 16