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KathleenBell
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13 Jan 2014 00:10 |
Apologies Margee. I think you are right. I had forgotten the marriage was in the name of Lily D. Mountford, so a mother called Dorothy is much more likely.
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MargaretM
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12 Jan 2014 16:01 |
A tree on Ancestry says that Lily Dorothy Mountford was born 1888, Milton, Staffordshire, daughter of Thomas Mountford & Dorothy Smith. She married Henry Mathews.
Conversely your tree on Ancestry says that she was the daughter of Frederick and she married Arthur Mathews. There's no such marriage on FreeBMD. You really should be sure of your facts before you post them on an online tree. People copy these trees you know.
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MargaretM
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12 Jan 2014 15:23 |
She married as Lily D. Could this be her birth? Middle name Dorothy after her mother?
Births Mar 1888 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MOUNTFORD Lily Dorothy Leek 6b 269
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MargaretM
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12 Jan 2014 15:16 |
I still think her parents are Thomas & Dorothy. She's with them on the 1911 census aged 23 and there's a 4 year old grandson named Arthur with them.
I repeat Lily's marriage certificate is essential.
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KathleenBell
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12 Jan 2014 14:38 |
I think the family that Reggie found in the 1901 census is likely to be the correct family. This is them in 1911:-
1911 census transcription details for: 33 Derby St Hanley Stoke - on - Trent
National Archive Reference: RG14PN16544 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED34 SN208 Reg. District: Stoke upon Trent Sub District: Hanley Parish: Hanley Enum. District: 34
Address: 33 Derby St Hanley Stoke - on - Trent County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MOUNTFORD, Frederick Head Married M 49 1862 Coal Miner Staffs Hanley MOUNTFORD, Jane Wife Married 29 years F 48 1863 Potter Staffs Hanley MOUNTFORD, Joseph Son Single M 27 1884 Miner Staffs Hanley MOUNTFORD, Beatrice Daughter Single F 21 1890 Staffs Hanley MOUNTFORD, Jane Daughter Single F 18 1893 Lithographer Staffs Hanley MOUNTFORD, Ethel Daughter Single F 13 1898 Potter Staffs Hanley MOUNTFORD, Roseline Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Staffs Hanley MOUNTFORD, Philmena Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Staffs Hanley SIMMS, Sarahann Mother In Law Widow F 65 1846 None Staffs Hanley
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MargaretM
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12 Jan 2014 13:06 |
I would suspect that Lily's father was Thomas not Frederick.
I think Lily's marriage certificate is required to get her father's name.
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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12 Jan 2014 12:47 |
Margee...I saw that census and thought the same! Lynn has an unsourced tree on Ancestry and has Lily as born 1886 ...so I think the statement "father Frederick" is an assumption.
Lynn we need you to answer questions as posed by all of us!
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MargaretM
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12 Jan 2014 12:43 |
Lilly in 1911 but no Arthur. Would she have been only 15 when he was born?
1911 England Census about Lilly Mountford Name: Lilly Mountford Age in 1911: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Marital Status: Single Occupation: street Maker Pottery Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Registration District Number: 361 Sub-registration District: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Household Schedule Number: 128 Piece: 16543 Household Members: Name Age Fredrick Mountford 43 Mary Mountford 45 Lilly Mountford 19 Patsy Mountford 18 Agnes Mc Chayne 40
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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12 Jan 2014 12:43 |
How do you know her father's name?
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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12 Jan 2014 12:39 |
This is possibly Lily's marriage (Wolstanton is less than three miles from Hanley)
Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%) Matthews Henry Mountford Wolstanton 6b 213 Mountford Lily D Matthews Wolstanton 6b 213
And there is a birth for an Arthur Mountford in Q2 1907 in Wolstanton - do you actually have his birth certificate?
Have you found him in 1911?
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2014 12:38 |
Could be one of these
Births Mar 1907 (>99%) Mountford Arthur Leek 6b 313 Births Jun 1907 (>99%) MOUNTFORD Arthur Wolstanton 6b 131 MOUNTFORD Arthur Birkenhead 8a 466 MOUNTFORD Arthur James Stafford 6b 20a MOUNTFORD Arthur Stoke Wolstanton 6b 4/25
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MargaretM
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12 Jan 2014 12:37 |
This Arthur is listed as grandson on original but grandparents have wrong names.
1911 England Census about Arthur Mountford Name: Arthur Mountford Age in 1911: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Milton, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Milton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: No 8 Station Rd, Milton Occupation: school Registration District: Wolstanton Registration District Number: 360 Sub-registration District: Burslem ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Household Schedule Number: 141 Piece: 16509 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Mountford 70 Dorothy Mountford 60 Lilly Mountford 23 Eli R Mountford 20 Ada Mountford 18 Edgar Mountford 11 Arthur Mountford 4
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12 Jan 2014 12:36 |
911 census transcription details for: 8 Station Road Milton
PrintClose National Archive Reference: RG14PN16509 RG78PN1021 RD360 SD3 ED27 SN141 Reg. District: Wolstanton Sub District: Burslem Parish: Milton Enum. District: 27 Address: 8 Station Road Milton County: Staffordshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born MOUNTFORD, Thomas Head Married M 70 1841 Coal Dealer Milton Staffs MOUNTFORD, Dorothy Wife Married 40 years F 60 1851 Milton Staffs MOUNTFORD, Lilly Daughter Single F 23 1888 Tile Maker Milton Staffs MOUNTFORD, Eli R Son Single M 20 1891 Coal Miner Hewer Milton Staffs MOUNTFORD, Ada Daughter Single F 18 1893 Tile Maker Milton Staffs MOUNTFORD, Edgar Grandson M 11 1900 School Milton Staffs MOUNTFORD, Arther Grandson M 4 1907 School Milton Staffs
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KathleenBell
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12 Jan 2014 12:34 |
Could this be his birth? :-
Name: MOUNTFORD, Arthur Registration district: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Year of registration: 1907 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 6B Page no: M/25
and this his mother's marriage:-
Name: MOUNTFORD, Lily D Registration district: Wolstanton County: Staffordshire Year of registration: 1914 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Matthews Volume no: 6B Page no: 213
Name: MATTHEWS, Henry Registration district: Wolstanton County: Staffordshire Year of registration: 1914 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Mountford Volume no: 6B Page no: 213
His birth seems to have been re-registered in 1925 under the name Matthews, so it is likely that Henry Matthews was in fact his father but his birth was registered in his mother's surname because the parents were not married at the time.
Name: MATTHEWS, Arthur Registration district: Stoke on Trent County: Staffordshire Year of registration: 1925 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Mountford Volume no: 6B Page no: 415
Buying the certificates would give you some addresses and also clarify whether this was definitely "your" Lily's marriage as the marriage certificate should confirm her father's name.
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2014 12:33 |
1901 census
Person: MOUNTFORD, Lily Address: 12, Milner Street, Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Fredrick Head Married M 39 1862 Coal Hewer Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW MOUNTFORD, Jane Wife Married F 38 1863 Potters Cup Maker Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW MOUNTFORD, Florance Daughter Single F 19 1882 Potters Cup Maker Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW MOUNTFORD, Joseph Son Single M 17 1884 Bricklayer Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW MOUNTFORD, Beatice Daughter F 11 1890 Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW MOUNTFORD, Jane Daughter F 8 1893 Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW MOUNTFORD, Ethel Daughter F 3 1898 Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW SIMS, Sarah Mother-In-Law F 56 1845 Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW MOUNTFORD, Lily Daughter F 14 1887 Potter Mould Runner Hanley, Staffordshire
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MargaretM
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12 Jan 2014 12:32 |
Is this possibly Lily's marriage in 1914?
Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthews Henry Mountford Wolstanton 6b 213 Mountford Lily D Matthews Wolstanton 6b 213
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ErikaH
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12 Jan 2014 12:30 |
How do you know who his mother was?
Have you looked for his birth as Mountford?
When was Lily born?
Have you traced her on censuses?
Have you looked for a marriage?
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Lynn
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12 Jan 2014 12:19 |
Does anyone know anything about my Grandfather. Arthur Matthews. I have been trying to trace his birth father for years. His Mother was Lilly Mountford, daughter of Frederick Mountford and was born in Hanley. I know that he was brought up with the surname Matthews but do not know if that was the name of his Stepfather as I am unclear if Lilly married his father. He grew up in Failsworth but I do not know if he was born there or in Stoke. His d.o.b. is March 1907. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks. Lynn Allen.
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