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9 Jan 2014 12:49 |
Could well be lynden55. Although the age is out - which is why she didn't turn up on a born 1887 =/- 2 years search - but all else fits. The other Mary in Islington does fit the correct age, but could be the Mary Elizabeth also b around the same 1887 mark
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lyndenh55
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8 Jan 2014 19:08 |
thanks everyone re stuart i think ive found her in 1901 96 albany rd camberwell living with her brother Edward w and wife bertha and family also albert fifield a brother
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lyndenh55
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8 Jan 2014 19:08 |
thanks everyone re stuart i think ive found her in 1901 96 albany rd camberwell living with her brother Edward w and wife bertha and family also albert fifield a brother
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7 Jan 2014 17:59 |
thats quite possible as his father was henry she may have thought that it is intriguing knowing his age at least i have the right mary, interesting the mother died within a few months and then he ended up in the workhouse with mary thanks lynden
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6 Jan 2014 22:10 |
She may have assumed her brother was named after his father so gave him the same christen names on her marriage cert
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6 Jan 2014 22:04 |
hi again i have the original marriage certificate from 1914 mary has no middle name and father is john henry fifield deceased although that is the only mention of a middle name i,ve seen i also have a photo of mary with an older lady who obviously inst her mother thanks for all your help regards lynden
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Chris Ho :)
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6 Jan 2014 21:31 |
Name: John Fifield Date of Death: 7 / 2 / 1895 Date of Burial: 9 / 2 / 1895 Age: 79 Years Grave details Cemetery: Kingston
(if relating, from below, some other Fifields, if fitting anywhere!)
http://www2.kingston.gov.uk/GraveRecords/
Name: Thomas E Fifield Date of Death: 6 / 6 / 1881 Date of Burial: 11 / 6 / 1881 Age: 2 Years
Chris :)
Deaths Sep 1941 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------- Fifield John H 72 Woolwich 1d 1005
(Burial on below)
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2014 21:29 |
More on the marriage:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: John Henry Fifield - Glass salesman Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Age: 20 Spouse Name: Maria Clara Hind Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 Aug 1888 Parish: Walworth All Saints Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Henry Fifield - warehouseman Spouse Father: Richard Edward Hind - butcher Register Type: Parish Register
Neither previously married. Both lived Nutt Street, Peckham - John Henry at no 6 and Maria Clara at no 1.
Witnesses: Elizabeth Fifield & Frederick William Morris (I think the Elizabeth Fifield may have been his sister).
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greyghost
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6 Jan 2014 21:10 |
MArried in St SAviour, Southwark, Surrey RD Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%) FIFIELD John H St Saviour 1d 42a Hind Maria C St. Saviour 1d 42a
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greyghost
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6 Jan 2014 21:05 |
And in 1891
1891 census transcription details for: 14, Shields Street, Camberwell, Peckham
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 474 Folio: 60 Page: 47 Reg. District: Camberwell Sub District: Peckham Parish: Camberwell Enum. District: 7 Ecclesiastical District: Camden City/Municipal Borough: Address: 14, Shields Street, Camberwell, Peckham County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FIFIELD, John H Head Married M 22 1869 Carman Kingston, Surrey FIFIELD, Maria C Wife Married F 23 1868 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk FIFIELD, Elizabeth M Daughter F 1 1890 Kilburn, London FIFIELD, Agnes M Daughter F 0 (8M) 1891 Kilburn, London
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greyghost
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6 Jan 2014 21:00 |
Her brother in 1901 -
1901 census transcription details for: 92, Barth Road, Plumstead
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 576 Folio: 107 Page: 70 Reg. District: Woolwich Sub District: Plumstead East Parish: Plumstead Enum. District: 27 Ecclesiastical District: St Nicholas City/Municipal Borough: Address: 92, Barth Road, Plumstead County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FIFIELD, John H Head Married M 32 1869 Carman Kingston, Surrey FIFIELD, Maria C Wife Married F 33 1868 Peckham, London FIFIELD, Agnes Daughter Single F 10 1891 Kilburn, London FIFIELD, John Son Single M 8 1893 Peckham, London FIFIELD, Ernest Son Single M 5 1896 Battersea, London FIFIELD, Albert Son Single M 4 1897 Battersea, London FIFIELD, Lilian Daughter Single F 2 1899 Battersea, London FIFIELD, Rose Daughter Single F 0 (10 MOS) 1901 Camberwell, London
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greyghost
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6 Jan 2014 20:55 |
? Taken in by her brother John H Fifield (see 1881 census)
Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: FIEFIELD, John Henry Registration district: Kingston County: Surrey Year of registration: 1869 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 2A Page no: 280
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2014 20:54 |
Is this the death of the mother?
Surrey, England, Burials, 1813-1987
Name: Elizabeth Fifield Birth Year: abt 1843 Burial Age: 44 Burial Date: 22 Apr 1887 Archive Provided Parish: Kingston Upon Thames, All Saints Parish as it Appears: Kingston Upon Thames Reference Number: P33/1/37
Address Cambridge Road, Norbiton.
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6 Jan 2014 20:46 |
According to a tree on Ancestry, John Henry born 1844 died as an infant
John Henry Fifield Birth 02.05.1844 in Kingston, Surrey Death 25.09.1846 (burial) in Kingston, Surrey, United Kingdom
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2014 20:44 |
Possibly his baptism:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John Fifield Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1816 - born 3rd March Father's Name: Henry Fifield - labourer Mother's Name: Elizabeth Fifield Parish or Poor Law Union: Teddington St Mary Borough: Richmond upon Thames Register Type: Parish Registers
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2014 20:42 |
On no record can I see John having the middle name "Henry"
1881
FIFIELD, John Head Married M 65 1816 Labourer At Iron Works Hampton Wick, Middlesex FIFIELD, Elizh Wife Married F 38 1843 Needlewoman London Blackfriars, London, Middlesex FIFIELD, John H Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey FIFIELD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey FIFIELD, Edward Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey FIFIELD, Thos Son Single M 2 1879 Kingston on Thames, Surrey
Piece: 835 Folio: 13 Page: 20 Registration District: Kingston Civil Parish: Kingston
Address: 22, Lower Ham Rd, Hope Avenue, Kingston County: Surrey
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greyghost
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6 Jan 2014 20:41 |
?? 1881 census transcription details for: 22, Lower Ham Rd, Hope Avenue, Kingston
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 835 Folio: 13 Page: 20 Reg. District: Kingston Sub District: Kingston Parish: Kingston Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 22, Lower Ham Rd, Hope Avenue, Kingston County: Surrey Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FIFIELD, John Head Married M 65 1816 Labourer At Iron Works Hampton Wick, Middlesex FIFIELD, Elizh Wife Married F 38 1843 Needlewoman London Blackfriars, London, Middlesex FIFIELD, John H Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey FIFIELD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 9 1872 ScholarKingston on Thames, Surrey FIFIELD, Edward Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey FIFIELD, Thos Son Single M 2 1879 Kingston on Thames, Surrey
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6 Jan 2014 20:39 |
Just to clear up which birth cert ...
Mary Elizabeth married Charles Mansey
so discount that one
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greyghost
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6 Jan 2014 20:37 |
1891 The Union Workhouse of Kingston, Coombe Road, Kingston
Mary Fifield Pauper age 3 (3/12) b Kingston, Surrey John Fifield Pauper age 77 General Labourer Widower b Hampton Wick
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MarieCeleste
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6 Jan 2014 20:33 |
I don't think that 1844 birth is her father, he was apparently much older than that (age is very clear on image)
Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937
Name: John Fifield - labourer (widower) Age: 50 Birth Year: abt 1818 Marriage Date: 16 Mar 1868 Archive Provided Parish: Norbiton, St Peter Parish as it Appears: Norbiton
Spouse: Elizabeth Hopwood - spinster Spouse Age: 24
Father: Henry Fifield - labourer Spouse Father: Charles Hopwood - labourer
Reference Number: 3046/1/15
Both give address as Mill Street.
Witnesses: Thomas Farmer & Eliza Farmer
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