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2 Jan 2014 10:36 |
I'm trying to find info on Herbert Holmes, born in Yorkshire c 1881. Occupation was butcher. Moved to Swansea, Wales. Fathered Alice, May, Winnie, Ken, George. Died in Kingsbury NW London.
Any info appreciated.
Thanks, Les
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GlitterBaby
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2 Jan 2014 10:52 |
What info are you looking for as you know quite a bit already
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AnnCardiff
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2 Jan 2014 10:53 |
morning Les - there are a few
Herbert William Holmes England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 11 August 1880 All Saints Church, Brightside, York, England residence: Brightside, York, England father: Joseph Holmes mother: Jane Herbert Holmes England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 2 June 1880 Wike (near Bradford), York, England residence: Wike (near Bradford), York, England father: James Holmes mother: Esther
Herbert Holmes England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 24 November 1880 Attercliffe, York, England father: Joe Holmes mother: Frances
Herbert Holmes England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 10 October 1880 St. John's, Bierley, York, England residence: Bierley, York, England father: William Holmes mother: Esther
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+++DetEcTive+++
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2 Jan 2014 10:56 |
Can't even find any census!
Did the marriage or the children's births take place after 1911? If you know who he married, purchase the MC which should name his father, and his father's occupation.
You can find the reference you need on FreeBMD and order the certificate (£9.25) from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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2 Jan 2014 10:56 |
Who did he marry and when?
The cert should name his father
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AnnCardiff
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2 Jan 2014 10:56 |
were the children born in Wales?
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Astra
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2 Jan 2014 10:58 |
This one??
1911 census transcription details for: 37 Winifred Road Skewen Glamorgan
PrintClose National Archive Reference: RG14PN32665 RG78PN1865 RD592 SD4 ED3 SN170 Reg. District: Neath Sub District: Cadoxton Parish: Coedffranc Enum. District: 3 Address: 37 Winifred Road Skewen Glamorgan County: Glamorganshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BALL, Joseph Head Married M 41 1870 Coal Miner Repairer Glamorgan Skewen BALL, Annie Wife Married 15 years F 39 1872 Glamorgan Skewen BALL, Thomas Ll Son Single M 14 1897 Clay Picking Glamorgan Skewen BALL, Lena Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Glamorgan Skewen BALL, Beatrice Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Glamorgan Skewen HOLMES, Herbert Boarder Married M 34 1877 Butcher Yorkshire Halifax HOLMES, Elizabeth Boarder Married 3 years F 24 1887 Glamorgan Llansamlet HOLMES, George Boarder Single M 1 1910 Glamorgan Skewen HOLMES, May Boarder Single F 2 1909 Glamorgan Skewen DAVIS, Elizabeth Ann Servant F 14 1897 Assisitng In Work Glamorgan Skewen
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2 Jan 2014 10:59 |
good one Astra :-D
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Astra
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2 Jan 2014 11:00 |
This may be him with hi parents. Father George is also a butcher
1881 census transcription details for: 13, New Road, Halifax
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 4400 Folio: 61 Page: 37 Reg. District: Halifax Sub District: Halifax Parish: Halifax Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 13, New Road, Halifax County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HOLMES, George Head Married M 46 1835 Butcher Haworth, Yorkshire HOLMES, Hannah Wife Married F 45 1836 Muress Moor Allerton, Yorkshire HOLMES, Abraham Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar Cullingworth Bingley, Yorkshire HOLMES, Alice Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Cullingworth, Yorkshire HOLMES, Herbert Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Halifax, Yorkshire
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Astra
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2 Jan 2014 11:02 |
Thanks Ann :-)
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Astra
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2 Jan 2014 11:06 |
Marriage ??
Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%) HOLMES Herbert Swansea 11a 1370 Rosser Elizabeth Swansea 11a 1370
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PricklyHolly
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2 Jan 2014 11:08 |
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1891 England Census about Herbert Holmes Name: Herbert Holmes Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Holmes Mother's Name: Hannah Holmes Gender: Male Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ovenden Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Ovenden County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Halifax Sub-registration District: Ovenden ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3604 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age George Holmes 56 (Butcher) Hannah Holmes 55 Sarah J Holmes 24 Abram Holmes 22 (Butcher) Alice Holmes 19 Herbert Holmes 15 (Butchers Assistant)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about George Holmes Name: George Holmes Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893 Age at Death: 58 Registration District: Halifax Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9a Page: 372
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2 Jan 2014 11:13 |
There are two Elizabeth Rossers born Llansamlet around 1887 both with father's called John. You will probably need the marriage certificate to find out for certain which one she is.
Births Sep 1886 (>99%) Rosser Elizabeth Swansea 11a 808 Rosser Elizabeth Swansea 11a 809
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2 Jan 2014 11:20 |
1901 census transcription details for: 48- 50, Sportsman Inn, Crown Street, Halifax
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4119 Folio: 120 Page: 2 Reg. District: Halifax Sub District: Halifax Parish: Halifax Enum. District: 6 Ecclesiastical District: Halifax St James City/Municipal Borough: Address: 48- 50, Sportsman Inn, Crown Street, Halifax County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born WOOD, Fred Head Married M 33 1868 Licensed Victualler Brighouse, Yorkshire WOOD, Lucy Wife Married F 32 1869 Brighouse, Yorkshire WOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 12 1889 Brighouse, Yorkshire FAULKNER, Susan M Servant Single F 17 1884 Servant Domestic Featherstone, Yorkshire SUTCLIFFE, Joe S Visitor Single M 32 1869 Iron Moulder Clifton, Yorkshire HOLMES, Herbert Visitor Single M 25 1876 Butcher Halifax, Yorkshire
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2 Jan 2014 11:26 |
Births Jun 1918 (>99%) Holmes Abraham J Rosser Swansea 11a 2090
Births Sep 1921 (>99%) Holmes Alice D Rosser Swansea 11a 2404
Births Mar 1928 (>99%) HOLMES Kenneth H Rosser Swansea 11a 1601
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PricklyHolly
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2 Jan 2014 11:42 |
Brother Abraham..
Household transcription 1911 census Person: HOLMES, Abram Address: 85 Brynymor Road Swansea South Wales HOLMES, Abram Head Married20 years M 41 1870 Butcher Yorkshire Halifax VIEW HOLMES, Kate Wife Married20 years F 39 1872 Glouster Bristol VIEW HOLMES, Harry Son Single M 19 1892 Butcher Glouster Bristol VIEW HOLMES, Edith Daughter Single F 18 1893 Glouster Bristol VIEW HOLMES, Ernest Son M 13 1898 School Glouster Bristol VIEW HOLMES, Gladys Daughter F 9 1902 School Glouster Bristol VIEW HOLMES, Herbert Son M 6 1905 School Glouster Bristol VIEW HOLMES, Florrie Daughter F 1 (18 MONTHS) 1910 Glamorgan Swansea VIEW CLARE, Thomas Arnison Boarder Single M 21 1890 Butcher Lancashire Liverpool VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 32760 Reference: RG14PN32760 RG78PN1870 RD594 SD3 ED3 SN281 Registration District: Swansea Sub District: Swansea Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Swansea Address: 85 Brynymor Road Swansea South Wales County: Glamorganshire
1901 England Census about Abram Holmes Name: Abram Holmes Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Kate Holmes Birth Place: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bristol County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Abram Holmes 32 (Butcher) Kate Holmes 32 Harry Holmes 10 Edith Holmes 8 Ernest Holmes 3
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PricklyHolly
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2 Jan 2014 12:24 |
1871 England Census about Abraham Holmes Name: Abraham Holmes Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Holmes Mother's Name: Hannah Holmes Gender: Male Where born: Bingley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley Ecclesiastical parish: Cullingworth St John Town: Cullingworth County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration District: Keighley Sub-registration District: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household Schedule Number: 144 Piece: 4311 Folio: 48 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age George Holmes 36 (Butcher) Hannah Holmes 35 Ann Elizabeth Holmes 15 William H Holmes 14 Abraham Holmes 1 Mortamer Holmes 5 Months
A big age gap bteween the children which might indicate that George had been married before.
Births Jun 1869 (>99%) Holmes Abraham Keighley 9a 149
Births Dec 1870 (>99%) HOLMES Mortimer Keighley 9a 165
Deaths Mar 1872 (>99%) HOLMES Mortimer 1 Keighley 9a 145 1861 England Census about George Holmes Name: George Holmes Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Holmes Gender: Male Where born: Haworth, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley Ecclesiastical parish: Cullingworth County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Keighley Sub-registration District: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 176 Piece: 3220 Folio: 114 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age George Holmes 26 Alice Holmes 30 Ann Elizath Holmes 5 William Holmes 4 John Holmes 1
Births Jun 1855 (>99%) HOLMES Ann Elizabeth Keighley 9a 155
Births Jun 1857 (>99%) Holmes William Henry Keighley 9a 147
Marriages Mar 1854 (>99%) HOLMES George Keighley 9a 185 Sunderland Alice Keighley 9a 185
Deaths Sep 1865 (>99%) Holmes Alice Keighley 9a 117
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2 Jan 2014 12:39 |
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1851 England Census about George Holmes Name: George Holmes Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Holmes Mother's Name: Elizabeth Holmes Gender: M (Male) Where born: Howarth, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bingley Ecclesiastical parish: Cullingworth County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Disability: View Image Registration District: Keighley Sub-registration District: Bingley ED, institution, or vessel: 1n Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 104 Piece: 2286 Folio: 329 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age John Holmes 40 (Butcher) Elizabeth Holmes 36 Mary Sunderland Holmes 18 George Holmes 16 Michael Holmes 15 Ann Holmes 13 Joseph Holmes 11 Sarah Holmes 9 Elizabeth Holmes 7 Lydia Holmes 6 Eliza Holmes 4 Susey Holmes 4 Nanny Holmes 3 John Walker Holmes 6 Mo
1841 England Census about John Holmes Name: John Holmes Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Hundred: Morley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: Keighley Sub-registration District: Haworth Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1295 Book: 8 Folio: 27 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age John Holmes 30 Elizabeth Holmes 25 Mary Holmes 9 George Holmes 7 Michael Holmes 6 Ann Holmes 3 Joseph Holmes 1
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about John Holmes Name: John Holmes Marriage or Bann Date: 13 Oct 1833 Parish: Haworth, St Michael and All Angels Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Sunderland
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England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about John Holmes Name: John Holmes Gender: Male Christening Date: 3 Nov 1811 Christening Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Father's Name: William Holmes
1861 England Census about John Holmes Name: John Holmes Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Holmes Gender: Male Where born: Haworth, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Wilsden Ecclesiastical parish: Cullingworth County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Bradford Sub-registration District: Wilsden ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 85 Piece: 3339 Folio: 12 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age John Holmes 51 (Butcher) Elizabeth Holmes 46 Mary Holmes 28 Ann Holmes 23 Joseph Holmes 20 Sarah Holmes 19 Elizabeth Holmes 17 Lydia Holmes 16 Eliza Holmes 14 Susy Holmes 14 Nancy Holmes 13 John Walker Holmes 10 Emma Jane Holmes 6 Albert Holmes 5 Michael Holmes 26 (Married) Butcher Elizabeth Holmes 20 (Daughter in Law) Rose Ann Holmes 3 (Grandaughter) Mary Jane Holmes 1 (Grandaughter)
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2 Jan 2014 14:15 |
Going back to William Henry Holmes...
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about William Henry Holmes Name: William Henry Holmes Birth Date: 9 Mar 1856 Parish: Cullingworth, St John Baptism Date: 3 May 1857 Father's Name: George Holmes (Butcher) Mother's Name: Alice Holmes
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about William Hury Holmes ....Middle name "Henry" on the image. Bachelor.....Occupation: Butcher Birth Year: abt 1857 Age: 20 Marriage or Bann Date: 26 Jun 1877 Parish: Halifax, St John the Baptist Father's Name: George Holmes (Butcher) Spouse's Name: Eliza Crapper (Spinster) Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Crapper (Deceased) Witnesses: Robert Roliman?? and Emily Crapper
1881 England Census about William H. Holmes Name: William H. Holmes Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Eliza Holmes Gender: Male Where born: Bingley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Halifax County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 15 Lee Bridge Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Butcher Registration District: Halifax Sub-registration District: Halifax ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4405 Folio: 40 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age William H. Holmes 24 (Butcher) Eliza Holmes 24 Florence Holmes 8 mnths
..West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Florence Holmes Name: Florence Holmes Birth Date: 15 Jul 1880 Parish: Halifax, St John the Baptist Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1881 Father's Name: Wm Henry Holmes (Butcher) Mother's Name: Eliza Holmes
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2 Jan 2014 14:33 |
..West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Ann Elizabeth Holmes Name: Ann Elizabeth Holmes Birth Date: 7 May 1855 Parish: Cullingworth, St John Baptism Date: 11 May 1856 Father's Name: George Holmes (Butcher) Mother's Name: Alice Holmes
..West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about John Holmes Name: John Holmes Birth Date: 10 Sep 1859 Parish: Cullingworth, St John Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1859 Father's Name: George Holmes (Wool Sorter) Mother's Name: Alice Holmes
George's occupation on the 1861 census is....Wool Sorter.
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